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    Default Question for magical-genie (God) believers

    Just wondering - hoping you can shed some light on this for me - if Creationism IS in fact true - uhh.. why no evidence? e.g. what makes you think that you have this creation thing figured out when it flies in the face of mountains of scientific evidence to the contrary?

    What will it take to accept the mountains of scientific evidence? Doesn't the mere existence of fossils alone prove the story of creation flawed and false? Is there anything? If not, why? What makes you hold so steadfastly to your beliefs even though they make you and your ideas seem out-dated and uneducated to the rest of the world?
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    Science wants to explain things and understand why they happen. Creationists want to use science to justify their own causes.

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    Its all about faith. Isnt that the meaning of faith? To believe even though you dont have any proof?
    What proof do the scientists offer? There is speculation...but nothing PROVES where we came from, how life was formed or how the universe began. You have faith that science has the answer...I have faith that God is the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    Just wondering - hoping you can shed some light on this for me - if Creationism IS in fact true - uhh.. why no evidence? e.g. what makes you think that you have this creation thing figured out when it flies in the face of mountains of scientific evidence to the contrary?

    What will it take to accept the mountains of scientific evidence? Doesn't the mere existence of fossils alone prove the story of creation flawed and false? Is there anything? If not, why? What makes you hold so steadfastly to your beliefs even though they make you and your ideas seem out-dated and uneducated to the rest of the world?
    at some point there was nothing .... shortly after that there was something....

    creationisim by definition ..... now argue who or what was the catalist ....

    evolution occured after the moment of creation ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    Just wondering - hoping you can shed some light on this for me - if Creationism IS in fact true - uhh.. why no evidence? e.g. what makes you think that you have this creation thing figured out when it flies in the face of mountains of scientific evidence to the contrary?

    What will it take to accept the mountains of scientific evidence? Doesn't the mere existence of fossils alone prove the story of creation flawed and false? Is there anything? If not, why? What makes you hold so steadfastly to your beliefs even though they make you and your ideas seem out-dated and uneducated to the rest of the world?
    How about this - Why do you REFUSE to consider the figuratively-TONS of evidence pointing to creationism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    Just wondering - hoping you can shed some light on this for me - if Creationism IS in fact true - uhh.. why no evidence? e.g. what makes you think that you have this creation thing figured out when it flies in the face of mountains of scientific evidence to the contrary?

    What will it take to accept the mountains of scientific evidence? Doesn't the mere existence of fossils alone prove the story of creation flawed and false? Is there anything? If not, why? What makes you hold so steadfastly to your beliefs even though they make you and your ideas seem out-dated and uneducated to the rest of the world?
    You hit the nail on the head for once. Scientist's have been proving for years that it couldn't have played out the way the bible says. People just buy into because they are afraid of what happens after they die. If they believe in this theroy it might make them feel a little better thinking there is someplace else to go.

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    how do fossils prove it? they couldn't have died in the flood that the bible mentions?

    and how does science prove evolution 100%? how have we not been able to make something from nothing or from an explosion?

    and how are they uneducated? granted there are some hill rods that scream Jebus at all you non-believers and that you will burn in the firery brimstone.

    what about evolitionary-creationism? a created world and life that has adapted to world changes through the means of evolution?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    Just wondering - hoping you can shed some light on this for me - if Creationism IS in fact true - uhh.. why no evidence? e.g. what makes you think that you have this creation thing figured out when it flies in the face of mountains of scientific evidence to the contrary?

    What will it take to accept the mountains of scientific evidence? Doesn't the mere existence of fossils alone prove the story of creation flawed and false? Is there anything? If not, why? What makes you hold so steadfastly to your beliefs even though they make you and your ideas seem out-dated and uneducated to the rest of the world?
    Why do you have to start out your thread with sarcastic, Christian bashing, bullshit, like this... Question for magical-genie (God) believers

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    we exist dont we? that is certainly evidence. might not be convincing for you but its certainly evidence.

    It really ticks me off when people claim there is no evidence simply because they dont like the evidence presented. You can disagree with it all you want. but there is still evidence, even if it is weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagbard Celine View Post
    Just wondering - hoping you can shed some light on this for me - if Creationism IS in fact true - uhh.. why no evidence? e.g. what makes you think that you have this creation thing figured out when it flies in the face of mountains of scientific evidence to the contrary?

    What will it take to accept the mountains of scientific evidence? Doesn't the mere existence of fossils alone prove the story of creation flawed and false? Is there anything? If not, why? What makes you hold so steadfastly to your beliefs even though they make you and your ideas seem out-dated and uneducated to the rest of the world?
    Hag this all comes down to the 7 day argument we've had before. Fo me the coorect interpretaion of day in Genesis is "age". I have no problem attesting to the age of the earth is millions of years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackass View Post
    Its all about faith. Isnt that the meaning of faith? To believe even though you dont have any proof?
    What proof do the scientists offer? There is speculation...but nothing PROVES where we came from, how life was formed or how the universe began. You have faith that science has the answer...I have faith that God is the answer.
    Scientists offer evidence as proof, and evidence is the foundation for a scientist's belief. Faith is the belief that an assertion is true in fact, despite all evidence to the contrary. When it comes to belief based in faith, the notion of "proof" is not relevent--only the strength of the belief is relevent.

    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    at some point there was nothing .... shortly after that there was something....

    creationisim by definition .....
    Nonsense.

    Quote Originally Posted by dmp View Post
    How about this - Why do you REFUSE to consider the figuratively-TONS of evidence pointing to creationism?
    There's no such evidence that is ever presented that does not presume the existence of a creator...NONE. That's why.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pale Rider View Post
    Why do you have to start out your thread with sarcastic, Christian bashing, bullshit, like this... Question for magical-genie (God) believers
    I think Pale, that this is a pithy--that which is good for the goose is also good for the gander--response to the <a href="http://debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=81124#post81124"><b>Question for Pond-scum (Evolution) believers</b></a> posted elsewhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by glockmail View Post
    Hag this all comes down to the 7 day argument we've had before. Fo me the coorect interpretaion of day in Genesis is "age". I have no problem attesting to the age of the earth is millions of years old.
    LOLz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LOki View Post

    Nonsense.

    so what was the first something and where did it come from .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by manu1959 View Post
    so what was the first something and where did it come from .....
    TADA! You win first prize! That question illustrates exactly why your previous "nonsense" is NOT the definition of creationism. The creationist says "God," but denies the question "Who created God?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by LOki View Post
    TADA! You win first prize! That question illustrates exactly why your previous "nonsense" is NOT the definition of creationism. The creationist says "God," but denies the question "Who created God?"
    God is not matter; He is spirtual energy. His existence is independent of the universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockmail View Post
    God is not matter; He is spirtual energy. His existence is independent of the universe.
    wooOOOOOOOooh! ScaryGhostStoryLOLz!
    FYI Glockmail: The "Guy who created God" is also "independent of the universe." So is "the Guy who created the Guy who created God."
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    Quote Originally Posted by LOki View Post
    There's no such evidence that is ever presented that does not presume the existence of a creator...NONE. That's why.
    Not exactly right - God's existence is the conclusion upon looking at the evidence. that's how it works.
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