I take my stand, you?

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My friend, obama plans on being able to rewrite history as the victor. That is after he destroys our nation. The smucks havent figured it out yet. As usual they will only after its too late. --Tyr


And, when it's too late. The schmucks will be out in the wilderness. Trying to explain WHY they were the first to become even poorer than they were...all of those years Obama promised them the MOON, and dropped his pants, bent over and GAVE IT TO THEM.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

And, when it's too late. The schmucks will be out in the wilderness. Trying to explain WHY they were the first to become even poorer than they were...all of those years Obama promised them the MOON, and dropped his pants, bent over and GAVE IT TO THEM.


Myself, I hope most of them got what they deserved and are dead. Especially all those so active in destroying our nation. After all they fully supported, glorifed and idolised a destroyer. They will deserve all the misery he will heap upon them.Tyr

[logroller]

false false fail truth truth. :laugh: SQUAWK! I'm a parrot.:laugh2: -TYR


Can you present evidence to anything you proclaim as "false" or "truth"-- or just backing up your opinion with more opinion?

[logroller]

My friend, obama plans on being able to rewrite history as the victor. That is after he destroys our nation. The smucks havent figured it out yet. As usual they will only after its too late. --Tyr
You better get going on that legal and peaceful secession...before its too late. :rolleyes:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Can you present evidence to anything you proclaim as "false" or "truth"-- or just backing up your opinion with more opinion?

Evidence? This thread is 67 pages long with over a 1000 posts and I've presented lots of linked evidence, you could start with post number 997 on this page. Then if interested in evidence go back through this thread , you'll find plenty. I seriously doubt you will do that or that you truly even want to see any evidence that I present unless is to attempt to ridicule it. -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

You better get going on that legal and peaceful secession...before its too late. :rolleyes:

I havent signed a petition to secede . Although should one be presented to me I will sign it. Perhaps you should drop the vindictive attitude and research this subject better . The tens of thousands that are petioning to secede are not radicals, rather they for the most part are disillusioned citizens that understand our corrupt government is on a path to destroy this nation with obama(traitor) leading the charge. No doubt many millions more feel the same way but have not been approached to sign anything. While you attempt to belittle those that petition I applaud them for their insight, honesty and courage! For their patriotism and drive to take legal action! For their loyalty to the nation and its constitution. They seek to peacefully cast off this oppressive , corrupt and illegal government the traitor Obama has created. -Tyr

[Kathianne]

I havent signed a petition to secede . Although should one be presented to me I will sign it. Perhaps you should drop the vindictive attitude and research this subject better . The tens of thousands that are petioning to secede are not radicals, rather they for the most part are disillusioned citizens that understand our corrupt government is on a path to destroy this nation with obama(traitor) leading the charge. No doubt many millions more feel the same way but have not been approached to sign anything. While you attempt to belittle those that petition I applaud them for their insight, honesty and courage! For their patriotism and drive to take legal action! For their loyalty to the nation and its constitution. They seek to peacefully cast off this oppressive , corrupt and illegal government the traitor Obama has created. -Tyr

I doubt you'll ever be 'handed one of those petitions', they're online at the White House.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I doubt you'll ever be 'handed one of those petitions', they're online at the White House.

Too bad then, no way will I deal with the current CORRUPTED ADMINISTRATION VOLUNTARILY.
I DO NOT ASSOCIATE OR CORRESPOND WITH TRAITORS , THE CURRENT WHITE HOUSE QUALIFIES IMHO.-Tyr

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-administration-aided-al-qaeda-benghazi-allowed-stevens-to-die



Benghazi Libya (http://www.debatepolicy.com/topic/benghazi-libya)
Barack Obama (http://www.debatepolicy.com/topic/barack-obama)
Treason (http://www.debatepolicy.com/topic/treason)


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Last night before the last of the 2012 presidential debates, former CIA (http://www.debatepolicy.com/topic/cia) officer, Clare Lopez was a guest on the Glenn Beck (http://www.glennbeck.com/)TV show and she discussed (http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/10/22/former-cia-officer-obama-administration-let-ambassador-stevens-die/)the attack on the U.S. embassy on Benghazi, Libya, where four U.S. citizens, including U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens were murdered.
Despite what the mainstream media and the Obama administration have publicly stated, Lopez told (http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/10/22/former-cia-officer-obama-administration-let-ambassador-stevens-die/) Beck, “What went on in Benghazi had its roots much further back.”
What came out of the interview on the show presented a startling revelation that, “It was to act as official U.S. government liaison to Al-Qaeda (http://www.debatepolicy.com/topic/alqaeda) linked Jihadist militias. And they would include some of the same people now trying to overthrow Assad in Syria,” Lopez said.
On October 18, 2012, Clare Lopez wrote an analysis of what really seems to be the reasons as her article points out that arms were flowing to Syria and that may be behind the Benghazi cover-up.
She stated (http://www.radicalislam.org/analysis/arms-flow-syria-may-be-behind-beghazi-cover) in her analysis:
During the 2011 Libyan revolt against Muammar Qaddafi, reckless U.S. policy flung American forces and money into the conflict on the side of the rebels, who were known at the time to include Al-Qaeda elements. Previously the number two official at the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, Christopher Stevens was named as the official U.S. liaison to the Libyan opposition in March, 2011.


Stevens was tasked with helping to coordinate U.S. assistance to the rebels, whose top military commander, Abdelhakim Belhadj, was the leader of the Al-Qaeda affiliate, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG). That means

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/obama-uses-mideast-chaos-to-attack-our-constitutional-rights/

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Obama’s Freedom of Permissible Speech Bows Before Islam.
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Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. The framers of our Constitution knew that power lay within those allowed to define (and restrict) such things as “evil”. Thus, the first stone cemented in the fortress of our Bill of Rights safeguarded against those who would abuse that power. Freshly removed from the oppression of a ruling elite rationing liberty through a prejudiced and punishing fist, Americans were returned their God-given right to hear, see, and speak under their own free will. The First Amendment gives us the freedom to speak and debate and determine for ourselves what defines evil. We do not let evil define itself to us.
Islamic Outrage Against America’s Freedom of Speech
On September 11, 2012 violent Islamists stormed the U.S. Embassy in Cairo (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/egyptian-islamists-scale-us-embassy-walls-and-torch-american-flag/), removed our American flag, torched it, and replaced it with their own black flag of Islam.
U.S. Embassy Denounces America’s Right of Free Speech…White House Is Silent
The response from the Obama administration was to let the U.S. Embassy denounce (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/on-9-11-obama-administration-apologizes-to-islamists-and-attacks-the-constitution/), to the entire planet, our First Amendment right of Free Speech.
Here is the U.S. Embassy’s press release (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/good-grief-us-embassy-in-egypt-apologizes-after-islamists-storm-its-walls-torch-flag/):
U.S. Embassy Condemns Religious Incitement
September 11, 2012
The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.

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Our citizens gave this traitor more time to destroy. Our government attempts to limit our free speech by giving Islam exemption from any criticisms. Thats why I take my stand, the man proves his treason. He has no authority despite his position to try to limit my right of free speech . I'll speak out against Islam and its murdering campaign despite anything that scum says or does. FF-HIM!! -Tyr



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How many Americans truly understand what was done? That our government (U.S. Embassy) renounced our free speech rights to the world as a cover to use a film's portrayal of Muhammad to excuse the actions of muslim terrorists that murdered Americans!
Now we have that same leader , that same government to rule us again!
Folks, this isnt very likely to end well for us.. And thats putting it mildly!
Our current government did so of its own choosing!!
Even people not too bright should get the flavor of that IMHO..--Tyr

[aboutime]

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How many Americans truly understand what was done? That our government (U.S. Embassy) renounced our free speech rights to the world as a cover to use a film's portrayal of Muhammad to excuse the actions of muslim terrorists that murdered Americans!
Now we have that same leader , that same government to rule us again!
Folks, this isnt very likely to end well for us.. And thats putting it mildly!
Our current government did so of its own choosing!!
Even people not too bright should get the flavor of that IMHO..--Tyr


Tyr. We all know it. But. As you said. Even those Not Too Bright Americans we think SHOULD get it. Refuse to, and really. Just don't care. They live from day to day. Convinced THERE IS NOTHING THEY CAN DO.
So. The American Idol principle is their guide. A few beers, rest from the Terrible, Unfair World every night, and the hopes that they have a job to make money....IS ALL MOST AMERICANS CARE ABOUT.

Those of us who come to forums like this, or those who watch, and listen to Political programs....are a TINY percentage in a nation going UNDER.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Tyr. We all know it. But. As you said. Even those Not Too Bright Americans we think SHOULD get it. Refuse to, and really. Just don't care. They live from day to day. Convinced THERE IS NOTHING THEY CAN DO.
So. The American Idol principle is their guide. A few beers, rest from the Terrible, Unfair World every night, and the hopes that they have a job to make money....IS ALL MOST AMERICANS CARE ABOUT.

Those of us who come to forums like this, or those who watch, and listen to Political programs....are a TINY percentage in a nation going UNDER.

The liberal public education system has managed to destroy our national Spirit, to demonise Patriotism , to glorify flag burning and to teach our children that America has pretty much raped the rest of the world. Gone are the days of reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, teaching the true foundation of this nation and thanking God for this gift that he gave us! We used to recite a prayer of thanks to God first thing in first class in school evry morning. When they took God and Discipline out of school they knew the rest would be easy.
The leeches have produced ever greater numbers of leeches to feed at the government's table. We went from it being a shame to have to receive food stamps to it being a right .
We have great enemies within our nation aiding great enemies outside our nation topped with lazy people that think to hell with everybody else I want mine and its owed to me! Thats what has been taught and encouraged by government.
We are on a crash course for a truly great national disaster and its been planned all along... -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

This is why I take my stand....--Tyr

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/islamic-law-in-america/

Sharia law in Arizona: Muslim mom gets probation after brutally 'beating daughter and burning her with hot spoon' for talking to a boy at school, Devout Dad freed after stabbing her in the throat (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/11/sharia-law-in-arizona-muslim-mom-gets-probation-after-beating-daughter-and-burning-her-with-hot-spoo.html)

This is Arizona. Not Yemen, not Iran, but Phoenix. A Muslim mother was sentenced to two years' probation after she was accused of beating her teenage daughter because the girl refused to go along with an arranged marriage and was spotted talking to a male student at her high school. Her devout Muslim father cut his daughter's neck with a knife on February 7, leaving a one-and-a-half inch wound. He had admitted trying to kill her with the knife. And they are freed. This is sharia in America.
Honor violence is not merely sanctioned in Islam, it is encouraged. And honor murder of the offspring is sanctioned under Islam: read it, page 584 in Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0915957728/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0915957728&linkCode=as2&tag=atlashru0c-20)http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=atlashru0c-20&l=as2&o=1&a=0915957728.
Obama say, "respect it!" Four more years!
"Woman gets probation after 'beating daughter and burning her with hot spoon' for speaking to a boy at school" Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2229264/Woman-gets-probation-beating-daughter-burning-hot-spoon-refused-arranged-marriage.html)http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef017c333b9801970b-250wi (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef017c333b9801970b-pi)
Sentenced: Yursah Farhan (right) , 51, was given two years' probation for unlawful imprisonment of her daughter, 19-year-old Aiya Altameemi

An Iraqi mother was sentenced to two years' probation after she was accused of beating her teenage daughter because the girl refused to go along with an arranged marriage and was spotted talking a male student at her high school.
Yursah Farhan, 51, who lives in Phoenix, Arizona, was spared jail time in exchange for a guilty plea to unlawful imprisonment of her daughter, 19-year-old Aiya Altameemi.
The girl's father, Mohammed Altameemi, 46, also received two years’ probation for disorderly conduct, and her 18-year-old sister, Tabarak Altameemi, received the same sentence for assault.

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Watch for much more of this type insanity and for greater calls for Sharia law so that these people can not be prosecuted for these crimes! The next for years will see much more of this because justice and Our Constitution is under constant attack by Federal governmenmt and groups such as the muslims that seek to establish their law!-Tyr

[Larrymc]

Do you suggest that we outlaw Islam in America ?Now is the time to declare the US Christian Nation it will slow the flood of Muslims, stop there hopes of taking this country, even for those who appose religion, at lest we could preserve what we have, which is real Freedom

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Now is the time to declare the US Christian Nation it will slow the flood of Muslims, stop there hopes of taking this country, even for those who appose religion, at lest we could preserve what we have, which is real Freedom

WE HAD BETTER NOT REMAIN ASLEEP, THEY DO NOT STOP DOING THEIR HIDDEN AGENDA!
Best thing we can do is uphold the Constitution. Our Constitution actually forbids most of Islam as its presented in their Sharia law! Basicly if they can not implement Sharia law in any form they can not overthrow us except by violence. However history has shown they love violence and murdering their way into power. So we had best get prepared for that path. For they will take it and murder as many as they can. 1400+ YEARS AND THEY STILL WAGE THE TAKE OVER THE WORLD BY MURDER AND FORCE CAMPAIGN.--TYR

[aboutime]

WE HAD BETTER NOT REMAIN ASLEEP, THEY DO NOT STOP DOING THEIR HIDDEN AGENDA!
Best thing we can do is uphold the Constitution. Our Constitution actually forbids most of Islam as its presented in their Sharia law! Basicly if they can not implement Sharia law in any form they can not overthrow us except by violence. However history has shown they love violence and murdering their way into power. So we had best get prepared for that path. For they will take it and murder as many as they can. 1400+ YEARS AND THEY STILL WAGE THE TAKE OVER THE WORLD BY MURDER AND FORCE CAMPAIGN.--TYR



Under NO circumstances do we allow Obama, or any other Phony American who pretends to represent Tolerance by allowing Illegals, or Law breakers who disrespect, or disobey our Constitution to achieve their power, under the guise of Religious freedom in the form of Islam, or Muslim laws.
The moment we stop standing up for our Nation, and our Constitution. THE ENEMIES OF FREEDOM who come as False Prophets will get the upper hand.
I, Personally Refuse to allow ANYONE to Destroy My Nation, and I will defend My nation...even if I must DIE in doing so. My family, and fellow Honest Americans come before me and the ALMIGHTY DOLLAR or phony Politicians like our Present Pretend President.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Under NO circumstances do we allow Obama, or any other Phony American who pretends to represent Tolerance by allowing Illegals, or Law breakers who disrespect, or disobey our Constitution to achieve their power, under the guise of Religious freedom in the form of Islam, or Muslim laws.
The moment we stop standing up for our Nation, and our Constitution. THE ENEMIES OF FREEDOM who come as False Prophets will get the upper hand.
I, Personally Refuse to allow ANYONE to Destroy My Nation, and I will defend My nation...even if I must DIE in doing so. My family, and fellow Honest Americans come before me and the ALMIGHTY DOLLAR or phony Politicians like our Present Pretend President.


How many more in this nation or even at this site will make that same pledge? I have and do so again here and now..
My family comes before anything else in my life.
Americans had better get ready --to have to fight-- simply because the Islamists will force it sooner or later.-Tyr

[aboutime]

How many more in this nation or even at this site will make that same pledge? I have and do so again here and now..
My family comes before anything else in my life.
Americans had better get ready --to have to fight-- simply because the Islamists will force it sooner or later.-Tyr



Tyr. The biggest problem is. Far too many Americans have no idea what is taking place, and if anyone says such things to them. As we have done here. They just laugh, and call us nuts, crazy, or off our rockers.

Let them. Mister Obama, and the Enemies of America are working together. Almost feverishly, but quietly to destroy this nation. And, as OBL promised. Much like many other former Communist leaders from the 50's, and 60's. They have been successful at Dividing us as a people first. Our money is right behind their quest to destroy capitalism. It is shrinking in value. And once it's gone. THEY WIN. Because they have managed to FOOL the people into believing ONLY GOVERNMENT can save them. UNTIL Government ARRESTS THEM.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Lets not forget how they have muslim terrorist training camps here , at least 35 of them and our government does nothing about it!

http://politicalvelcraft.org/2011/01/30/southern-poverty-law-center-sic-muslim-brotherhoods-terror-training-camps-inside-the-usa/


http://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/1301770211-67.jpg?w=300&h=224 (http://politicalvelcraft.org/2011/01/30/southern-poverty-law-center-sic-muslim-brotherhoods-terror-training-camps-inside-the-usa/1301770211-67-3/)
The Conspiracy to Establish a Jihad Training Camp in Bly, Oregon File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat file download Jihad training camp, despite the fact that the property did not have any permanent living facilities, bathroom facilities, or electricity. … www.nefafoundation.org/miscellaneous/…/NEFA_Bly0609.pdf (http://www.nefafoundation.org/miscellaneous/FeaturedDocs/NEFA_Bly0609.pdf)
Islamic Jihad Training in America? May 22, 2006 …
American Muslims engaged in the establishment of training camps in the U.S., …
MILITANT JIHAD TRAINING – OR JUST RELIGIOUS TRAINING? …
Canada Free Press (http://www.debatepolicy.com/www.canadafreepress.com/2006/hagmann052206.htm)
Much of this information is outdated. I am launching a search for more up-to-date information. I would appreciate any help U.S.Militia members & others could add to this. Want to stay abreast of the latest developments in the fight against the “Islamification of America?”
Join us at American Infidels (http://americaninfidels.ning.com/main/authorization/signUp?)



http://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/terrorist-network-map.gif?w=588 (http://politicalvelcraft.org/2011/01/30/southern-poverty-law-center-sic-muslim-brotherhoods-terror-training-camps-inside-the-usa/terrorist-network-map-5/)



Obama’s September Surprise: Islamic Acorn – Islam Granted ‘Direct Access’ To Taxpayer’s Stimulus Grants, For The Muslim Brotherhood (http://politicalvelcraft.org/2010/09/26/obamas-september-surprise-islamic-acorn-islam-granted-%e2%80%98direct-access%e2%80%99-to-taxpayers-stimulus-grants-for-the-muslim-brotherhood/)

[aboutime]

Tyr. The biggest problem is. Far too many Americans have no idea what is taking place, and if anyone says such things to them. As we have done here. They just laugh, and call us nuts, crazy, or off our rockers.

Let them. Mister Obama, and the Enemies of America are working together. Almost feverishly, but quietly to destroy this nation. And, as OBL promised. Much like many other former Communist leaders from the 50's, and 60's. They have been successful at Dividing us as a people first. Our money is right behind their quest to destroy capitalism. It is shrinking in value. And once it's gone. THEY WIN. Because they have managed to FOOL the people into believing ONLY GOVERNMENT can save them. UNTIL Government ARRESTS THEM.



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[Larrymc]

[QUOTE=aboutime;596715]Under NO circumstances do we allow Obama, or any other Phony American who pretends to represent Tolerance by allowing Illegals, or Law breakers who disrespect, or disobey our Constitution to achieve their power, under the guise of Religious freedom in the form of Islam, or Muslim laws.
The moment we stop standing up for our Nation, and our Constitution. THE ENEMIES OF FREEDOM who come as False Prophets will get the upper hand.
I, Personally Refuse to allow ANYONE to Destroy My Nation, and I will defend My nation...even if I must DIE in doing so. My family, and fellow Honest Americans come before me and the ALMIGHTY DOLLAR or phony Politicians like our Present Pretend President.

[Larrymc]

[QUOTE=aboutime;596715]Under NO circumstances do we allow Obama, or any other Phony American who pretends to represent Tolerance by allowing Illegals, or Law breakers who disrespect, or disobey our Constitution to achieve their power, under the guise of Religious freedom in the form of Islam, or Muslim laws.
The moment we stop standing up for our Nation, and our Constitution. THE ENEMIES OF FREEDOM who come as False Prophets will get the upper hand.
I, Personally Refuse to allow ANYONE to Destroy My Nation, and I will defend My nation...even if I must DIE in doing so. My family, and fellow Honest Americans come before me and the ALMIGHTY DOLLAR or phony Politicians like our Present Pretend President.


whats sad is the immoral and the deviants, think there finally winning, and the "do what fells good crowd" could care less, but believers know the Bible tell us this will happen, i had hope to keep pushing it back for our kids and grand kids, but with the most Anti-America and Anti-God President in history being reelected, im afraid God may have given America over to the end times, sounds grime and i hope im wrong, but when half the country is Democrats and call them selves Christians, you know that's a big one to, when man begins to call evil good, like murdering baby's for convenience, and Homosexuality an alternative life style to name a few.

[aboutime]

[QUOTE=Larrymc;596742]


whats sad is the immoral and the deviants, think there finally winning, and the "do what fells good crowd" could care less, but believers know the Bible tell us this will happen, i had hope to keep pushing it back for our kids and grand kids, but with the most Anti-America and Anti-God President in history being reelected, im afraid God may have given America over to the end times, sounds grime and i hope im wrong, but when half the country is Democrats and call them selves Christians, you know that's a big one to, when man begins to call evil good, like murdering baby's for convenience, and Homosexuality an alternative life style to name a few.


Larrymc. I tend to agree with you all the way. But then. Few Liberal, Obama-ites really care what you, or I believe here.

As for some of them claiming to be Christians. That's merely a cover we've heard many Liberals use to hide their real feelings as they question, and ridicule anyone who is a Christian that doesn't agree with them. In other words. They are really Agnostic, but pretend to be Christian in order to keep favor with others as a means of avoiding being labeled as racists.

Personally. Every time I hear someone speak from both sides of their mouth. Like Mister Obama. Luring his so-called Christian Liberal followers into being deceived by false promises. That is a RED FLAG. And it identifies the Hypocrite, Liar, and pretender instantly.

[Larrymc]

[QUOTE=Larrymc;596743]


Larrymc. I tend to agree with you all the way. But then. Few Liberal, Obama-ites really care what you, or I believe here.

As for some of them claiming to be Christians. That's merely a cover we've heard many Liberals use to hide their real feelings as they question, and ridicule anyone who is a Christian that doesn't agree with them. In other words. They are really Agnostic, but pretend to be Christian in order to keep favor with others as a means of avoiding being labeled as racists.

Personally. Every time I hear someone speak from both sides of their mouth. Like Mister Obama. Luring his so-called Christian Liberal followers into being deceived by false promises. That is a RED FLAG. And it identifies the Hypocrite, Liar, and pretender instantly. i don't think i could agree more

[aboutime]

[QUOTE=aboutime;596774] i don't think i could agree more


If we really think about it seriously. This is much larger than any of us have the power to change, or do anything about. There is strength in numbers. And we can only depend on the large number of Americans who HONESTLY are Christians 24/7 365, and not when it serves their selfish purposes only.

[Larrymc]

[QUOTE=Larrymc;596775]


If we really think about it seriously. This is much larger than any of us have the power to change, or do anything about. There is strength in numbers. And we can only depend on the large number of Americans who HONESTLY are Christians 24/7 365, and not when it serves their selfish purposes only.the problem is many Christians have been convinced that debating or even discussing politics is not the Christian way, and driven by fear of the Government taking there tax exemption for church's, me personally i never took politics serious until i became a Christian and realized that God speaks through his people, so if we act like good little Christians and stay out of the proses, and as many think leave it to God, which has been done for to long, missing the point that God is only injected into the proses by his people, if they do nothing than God will do the same

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

[QUOTE=Larrymc;596775]


If we really think about it seriously. This is much larger than any of us have the power to change, or do anything about. There is strength in numbers. And we can only depend on the large number of Americans who HONESTLY are Christians 24/7 365, and not when it serves their selfish purposes only.

We have to first make more Americans wake up. Ignorance of Islam's goals and its hidden agenda here is what they want to keep intact. First step, exspose the great threat!-Tyr

[Larrymc]

[QUOTE=aboutime;596776]

We have to first make more Americans wake up. Ignorance of Islam's goals and its hidden agenda here is what they want to keep intact. First step, exspose the great threat!-TyrQuestion is how, when to many don't want to face it??

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

[QUOTE=aboutime;596776]the problem is many Christians have been convinced that debating or even discussing politics is not the Christian way, and driven by fear of the Government taking there tax exemption for church's, me personally i never took politics serious until i became a Christian and realized that God speaks through his people, so if we act like good little Christians and stay out of the proses, and as many think leave it to God, which has been done for to long, missing the point that God is only injected into the proses by his people, if they do nothing than God will do the same

This threat is one that the Christians can not ignore for much longer! For when its too late they may be inside a gas chamber wondering what happened as did the Jews in Hitler's Germany. Which is not really that far fetched when one studies what muslim controlled countries do. Muslims are influencing more in our politics everyday while Christians are castigated for even requesting just basic decency in our politicians! Muslims are buying influence, making threats and seeking special rights not granted to other religions! With obama's second term watch how his administration will give more and more power to the Islamists. He is already giving many billions of our tax dollars to Islamists!! -Tyr

[aboutime]

[QUOTE=Tyr-Ziu Saxnot;596789]Question is how, when to many don't want to face it??


Larrymc. You are using the QUOTE to credit me for Tyr's post, and Tyr's posts for mine. Don't know how you are doing it. But I thought you'd like to know.

[Larrymc]

[QUOTE=Larrymc;596779]

This threat is one that the Christians can not ignore for much longer! For when its too late they may be inside a gas chamber wondering what happened as did the Jews in Hitler's Germany. Which is not really that far fetched when one studies what muslim controlled countries do. Muslims are influencing more in our politics everyday while Christians are castigated for even requesting just basic decency in our politicians! Muslims are buying influence, making threats and seeking special rights not granted to other religions! With obama's second term watch how his administration will give more and more power to the Islamists. He is already giving many billions of our tax dollars to Islamists!! -Tyr i don't think we have to worry about gas chambers, they prefer beheading, which is what Revelation says they will be doing in the end times,

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

[QUOTE=Tyr-Ziu Saxnot;596789]Question is how, when to many don't want to face it??

FIRST , DESTROY THIS INSANE PC CONCEPT THAT ITS TABOO TO DISCUSS IT.
Since its a reality, a real threat talk about it often. Ignore te critics because they are either muslim or sold out appeasors worthy of only absolute contempt. Next seek out politicians that are taking a strong stand against it, encourage other politicians to do likewise. Donate time or money to causes that are here and now defending against it. The muslims already spend many hundreds of millions yearly here to advance their insanity. Never vote for a muslim sympathiser not matter what that person may have going for them otherwise. Get serious or give up on survival. All Americans need to study Islam and its absolutely violent history to se that its had no reformation. In fact the Koran is written in such a manner as to be practicly immune to any reformation. First reason is that they so quickly kill muslim opponents of its true goals! --Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Another reason that I take my stand here and now. When not if, they crank up here in USA we will see this and more. -Tyr
Victims of alleged human rights violations in Indonesia, a country where human rights courts set up in 2000 have yet to convict a single case, are facing an uphill battle to bring perpetrators to justice.

Data from local NGO Commission for Missing Persons and Victims of Violence (Kontras) estimates more than one million people suffered rights abuses between 1965 and 1998 that took place largely under President Suharto’s military rule, which ended in 1998 with his forced resignation.

“We have an unusual situation in this country. You have all these human rights violations but as things stand, no-one has been found guilty in a human rights court,” said Haris Azhar, co-ordinator of Kontras.

In 2000 the Indonesian parliament created human rights courts to hear and rule on cases concerning gross violations of human rights. Over 12 years, 12 cases have come before the country’s four human rights courts, with no resulting convictions.

Enforced disappearances

In the tumultuous run-up to the country’s first steps towards democracy in 1998, university students challenging the military regime began disappearing
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[Dilloduck]

This is why I take my stand....--Tyr

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/islamic-law-in-america/

Sharia law in Arizona: Muslim mom gets probation after brutally 'beating daughter and burning her with hot spoon' for talking to a boy at school, Devout Dad freed after stabbing her in the throat (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/11/sharia-law-in-arizona-muslim-mom-gets-probation-after-beating-daughter-and-burning-her-with-hot-spoo.html)

This is Arizona. Not Yemen, not Iran, but Phoenix. A Muslim mother was sentenced to two years' probation after she was accused of beating her teenage daughter because the girl refused to go along with an arranged marriage and was spotted talking to a male student at her high school. Her devout Muslim father cut his daughter's neck with a knife on February 7, leaving a one-and-a-half inch wound. He had admitted trying to kill her with the knife. And they are freed. This is sharia in America.
Honor violence is not merely sanctioned in Islam, it is encouraged. And honor murder of the offspring is sanctioned under Islam: read it, page 584 in Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0915957728/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0915957728&linkCode=as2&tag=atlashru0c-20)http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=atlashru0c-20&l=as2&o=1&a=0915957728.
Obama say, "respect it!" Four more years!
"Woman gets probation after 'beating daughter and burning her with hot spoon' for speaking to a boy at school" Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2229264/Woman-gets-probation-beating-daughter-burning-hot-spoon-refused-arranged-marriage.html)http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef017c333b9801970b-250wi (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef017c333b9801970b-pi)
Sentenced: Yursah Farhan (right) , 51, was given two years' probation for unlawful imprisonment of her daughter, 19-year-old Aiya Altameemi

An Iraqi mother was sentenced to two years' probation after she was accused of beating her teenage daughter because the girl refused to go along with an arranged marriage and was spotted talking a male student at her high school.
Yursah Farhan, 51, who lives in Phoenix, Arizona, was spared jail time in exchange for a guilty plea to unlawful imprisonment of her daughter, 19-year-old Aiya Altameemi.
The girl's father, Mohammed Altameemi, 46, also received two years’ probation for disorderly conduct, and her 18-year-old sister, Tabarak Altameemi, received the same sentence for assault.

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Watch for much more of this type insanity and for greater calls for Sharia law so that these people can not be prosecuted for these crimes! The next for years will see much more of this because justice and Our Constitution is under constant attack by Federal governmenmt and groups such as the muslims that seek to establish their law!-Tyr



I don't think what appears to be a lenient punishment is Sharia law. I'm a bit shocked by what good old native born American murderers can get away with as far as "punishment".

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I don't think what appears to be a lenient punishment is Sharia law. I'm a bit shocked by what good old native born American murderers can get away with as far as "punishment".

Me too!!! But how does that excuse Sharia law or present it as anything other than barbaric and unjust religious law that is in direct opposition to our freedom , our Constitution/Bill of Rights and our Rule of Law?-Tyr

[aboutime]

I don't think what appears to be a lenient punishment is Sharia law. I'm a bit shocked by what good old native born American murderers can get away with as far as "punishment".

Me too!!! But how does that excuse Sharia law or present it as anything other than barbaric and unjust religious law that is in direct opposition to our freedom , our Constitution/Bill of Rights and our Rule of Law?-Tyr




Tyr. Take note how Dilloduck attempted to REVERSE, or CHANGE the subject with a NON-ANSWER pointing another direction.
Typical, and As usual.
And oddly enough. They actually are convinced. We won't notice what they are doing.

[Drummond]

I don't think what appears to be a lenient punishment is Sharia law. I'm a bit shocked by what good old native born American murderers can get away with as far as "punishment".

I'm not at all clear as to whether Sharia Law was being exercised. Is this a case of American authorities being very 'politically correct' in being - outrageously ! - tolerant to acts of savagery such as this, because Muslim 'honour' is somehow involved ?

But if it was a Sharia judgment, it could perhaps be fitting, the point being that Sharia is not inclined to want to punish harshly for acts such as those committed.

Either way, what we have here is toleration of Muslim savagery, where such toleration should not be occurring. THAT is ultimately the issue ... to get to the bottom of why such toleration is happening of such criminality in the US today, and to put an end to it.

[aboutime]

What I fail to see, or understand here, on this thread is. Why anyone would be seen as endorsing Sharia Law, or suggesting it should be used in Lieu of our Laws under the Constitution.

[aboutime]

What I fail to see, or understand here, on this thread is. Why anyone would be seen as endorsing Sharia Law, or suggesting it should be used in Lieu of our Laws under the Constitution.


Is there an American out there who has any opinions about Our Congress, SCOTUS, and President looking to Sharia Law, and ignoring Our Constitutional Laws?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Is there an American out there who has any opinions about Our Congress, SCOTUS, and President looking to Sharia Law, and ignoring Our Constitutional Laws?


I bet that at least two SCOTUS judges think Sharia law should be allowed, both are female leftists.
One of them so dishonorable that she wouldnt recuse herself in the obamacare case when it was called for ever needed to be called for ! No action taken, she sits there as if she isnt a lying ,dishonorable piece of shit deserving to be put in prison..--Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

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The most terrifying danger Americans face from a second Barack Obama term isn’t the economy, which is scary enough.The most harrowing prospect is the Obama Administration’s passivity in the face of attempts to introduce aspects of sharia law into our legal system. Now there is strong and open evidence of the Obama administration collaborating with Islamist activists to ensure the path toward sharia law is accelerated.
Just last week, Thomas Perez, Assistant Attorney General of the Department of Justice (DOJ) Civil Rights Division, was asked this question by Trent Franks (R-AZ), a member of the House Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on the Constitution: "Will you tell us here today that this Administration's Department of Justice will never entertain or advance a proposal that criminalizes speech against any religion?"
Perez refused (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wwv9l6W8yc) to answer. Four times.
And why would Franks target Perez?
Here’s why:
Last October, at George Washington University, there was a meeting between DOJ officials, including Perez, and Islamist advocates against free speech. Representatives from the Islamist side included Mohamed Magid, president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). The ISNA was an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas terror funding trial in 2008, as well as functioning as a Muslim Brotherhood Front. The leader of the Islamist attack was Sahar Aziz, an Egyptian-born American lawyer and Fellow at the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding, a Muslim advocacy group based in Michigan. At the meeting, the Islamists lobbied for:


Cutbacks in U.S. anti-terror training
Limits on the power of terrorism investigators
Changes in agent training manuals
A legal declaration that criticism of Islam in the United States should be considered racial discrimination


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Its coming here folks and soooooooooner than you may think. obama is all for it.--Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I'm not at all clear as to whether Sharia Law was being exercised. Is this a case of American authorities being very 'politically correct' in being - outrageously ! - tolerant to acts of savagery such as this, because Muslim 'honour' is somehow involved ?

But if it was a Sharia judgment, it could perhaps be fitting, the point being that Sharia is not inclined to want to punish harshly for acts such as those committed.

Either way, what we have here is toleration of Muslim savagery, where such toleration should not be occurring. THAT is ultimately the issue ... to get to the bottom of why such toleration is happening of such criminality in the US today, and to put an end to it.

Tolerance when its for Islam is stretched to its infinite max. Tolerance for other religions is often denied and even ridiculed. Thats because Islam has formed an alliance with the lib/leftists here just as they did in Britain. They unite with those seeking destruction of a nation. And we can easily see by looking at Britain how quickly that can start to destroy a nation. Doing nothing is the same as aiding Islam in its goal of destroying not only our culture but our nation! We simply must be made aware of the coming problem with Islam! Even more important is the realisation that we must become pro-active in this mater to even hope to survive it.-Tyr

[aboutime]

Tolerance when its for Islam is stretched to its infinite max. Tolerance for other religions is often denied and even ridiculed. Thats because Islam has formed an alliance with the lib/leftists here just as they did in Britain. They unite with those seeking destruction of a nation. And we can easily see by looking at Britain how quickly that can start to destroy a nation. Doing nothing is the same as aiding Islam in its goal of destroying not only our culture but our nation! We simply must be made aware of the coming problem with Islam! Even more important is the realisation that we must become pro-active in this mater to even hope to survive it.-Tyr


Tyr. The most obvious proof that the Obama administration IS paying attention, and trying to use Sharia law, rather than U.S. Constitutional Laws...Obama is sworn to protect, and defend is...THEIR SILENCE.

Obama's silence says far more than any, or all of his Known, Repeated Lies to the American people. But those same Americans ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH to know...what questions are SAFE to ask Obama...short of being labeled Racists.

[Larrymc]

[QUOTE=Tyr-Ziu Saxnot;597203]


Tyr. Take note how Dilloduck attempted to REVERSE, or CHANGE the subject with a NON-ANSWER pointing another direction.
Typical, and As usual.
And oddly enough. They actually are convinced. We won't notice what they are doing.the sad part is only true Patriots can see whats happening, most others are to involved in there on issues and agenda, i think a lot of the Islamist that live here are peaceful for the most part and enjoy our Freedom, but if Extremist get a hold in this Country they will be quick to flip on America, they will not stand against there on, also they know better than us what the consequences would be, as long as Christianity our main religion was was strong they knew it would be useless to try and take the US, but the liberals, Immoral, deviants and Silent Christians have let God be virtually removed from Government he is out rite rejected by a large part of the Population now, and that same number are ready to leave Israel to defined them selves, this is all they need, while they have no use for any of these groups they are happy to let them do the work, now that the Gays and the Abortion supporters have there on Party we see a Flood of meddle east immigrants, and the groups i mentioned see it as victory

[aboutime]

[QUOTE=aboutime;597241]the sad part is only true Patriots can see whats happening, most others are to involved in there on issues and agenda, i think a lot of the Islamist that live here are peaceful for the most part and enjoy our Freedom, but if Extremist get a hold in this Country they will be quick to flip on America, they will not stand against there on, also they know better than us what the consequences would be, as long as Christianity our main religion was was strong they knew it would be useless to try and take the US, but the liberals, Immoral, deviants and Silent Christians have let God be virtually removed from Government he is out rite rejected by a large part of the Population now, and that same number are ready to leave Israel to defined them selves, this is all they need, while they have no use for any of these groups they are happy to let them do the work, now that the Gays and the Abortion supporters have there on Party we see a Flood of meddle east immigrants, and the groups i mentioned see it as victory


Larrymc. This forum is only useful for all of us as a place where we can vent, and get all, or most of the frustrations off our shoulders.

Otherwise. Hoping liberal, democrats, lefties, and progressives will take any stock or advice from what we say is just as USELESS as their unexplained reasons WHY they voted for Obama again.
None of them really know why they did, other than because their HATRED for the feelings of other Americans who do not support Obama are the only reason they have.
Welcome to the Failing, Modern, America THAT USED TO BE.

[Larrymc]

[QUOTE=Larrymc;597602]


Larrymc. This forum is only useful for all of us as a place where we can vent, and get all, or most of the frustrations off our shoulders.

Otherwise. Hoping liberal, democrats, lefties, and progressives will take any stock or advice from what we say is just as USELESS as their unexplained reasons WHY they voted for Obama again.
None of them really know why they did, other than because their HATRED for the feelings of other Americans who do not support Obama are the only reason they have.
Welcome to the Failing, Modern, America THAT USED TO BE.i know your right i just have to lay it out there, ever how useless it may be, and who knows they may not all be as clueless as most chose to be, maybe they just need it spelled out, I know, I know a hopeless optimist LOL

[aboutime]

[QUOTE=aboutime;597637]i know your right i just have to lay it out there, ever how useless it may be, and who knows they may not all be as clueless as most chose to be, maybe they just need it spelled out, I know, I know a hopeless optimist LOL


Larrymc. Nothing wrong with being an Optimist at all. Nothing wrong with thinking, or dreaming Positively either. I think all of us feel that way, and some of us have trouble, or difficulty expressing it EXACTLY they way others think we should.

Stay strong. Stay Proud. You are who you are, and nobody can change that!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

[QUOTE=aboutime;597241]the sad part is only true Patriots can see whats happening, most others are to involved in there on issues and agenda, i think a lot of the Islamist that live here are peaceful for the most part and enjoy our Freedom, but if Extremist get a hold in this Country they will be quick to flip on America, they will not stand against there on, also they know better than us what the consequences would be, as long as Christianity our main religion was was strong they knew it would be useless to try and take the US, but the liberals, Immoral, deviants and Silent Christians have let God be virtually removed from Government he is out rite rejected by a large part of the Population now, and that same number are ready to leave Israel to defined them selves, this is all they need, while they have no use for any of these groups they are happy to let them do the work, now that the Gays and the Abortion supporters have there on Party we see a Flood of meddle east immigrants, and the groups i mentioned see it as victory

Well, when the fit hits the shan, it'll be patriots prepared to try to save the worthless bastards along with the rest here. And those same worthless SOB's will still not appreciate it.. Clueless bastards with no balls but plenty bigmouths to criticise decent folk!!-Tyr

[Larrymc]

[QUOTE=Larrymc;597602]

Well, when the fit hits the shan, it'll be patriots prepared to try to save the worthless bastards along with the rest here. And those same worthless SOB's will still not appreciate it.. Clueless bastards with no balls but plenty bigmouths to criticise decent folk!!-Tyrwell they have bailed us out before, lets hope we have enough the next time (Not for down the road from what i see)

[Dilloduck]

I'm not at all clear as to whether Sharia Law was being exercised. Is this a case of American authorities being very 'politically correct' in being - outrageously ! - tolerant to acts of savagery such as this, because Muslim 'honour' is somehow involved ?

But if it was a Sharia judgment, it could perhaps be fitting, the point being that Sharia is not inclined to want to punish harshly for acts such as those committed.

Either way, what we have here is toleration of Muslim savagery, where such toleration should not be occurring. THAT is ultimately the issue ... to get to the bottom of why such toleration is happening of such criminality in the US today, and to put an end to it.

Sharia law can get in line. There's a shitload of corruption going on that puts it to shame. You can't get a corrupt politician to do shit.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

There's a shitload of corruption going on that puts it to shame. You can't get a corrupt politician to do shit.

Are you speaking about obama with that comment?
Because our nation has never had a politician as corrupt as he is! His open treason should be cause for his impeachment and imprisonment but its celebrated instead. That points to a very grave situation which this nation has never faced before! One of the President being a TRAITOR THATS HELLBENT ON DESTROYING THE NATION!
So Sharia law may temporarily take a backseat but know this , obama supports Sharia law coming here too..-Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

[QUOTE=Tyr-Ziu Saxnot;597657]well they have bailed us out before, lets hope we have enough the next time (Not for down the road from what i see)

The problem now is , how many are available and willing to risk everything to go against the bigger government and the almost 50% of the population that has sold its soul for bread and water???
This destruction has been deeply conceived, elaborate and long planned. Starting many decades ago. The frog has just now realised that the water is hot IMHO!--Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

[QUOTE=Larrymc;597640]


Larrymc. Nothing wrong with being an Optimist at all. Nothing wrong with thinking, or dreaming Positively either. I think all of us feel that way, and some of us have trouble, or difficulty expressing it EXACTLY they way others think we should.

Stay strong. Stay Proud. You are who you are, and nobody can change that!

My friend , thats good advice and we all should strive to heed it. However , some of us know far more than we should about whats really going on. And that makes it extremely hard to follow that advice. -Tyr

[Larrymc]

Are you speaking about obama with that comment?
Because our nation has never had a politician as corrupt as he is! His open treason should be cause for his impeachment and imprisonment but its celebrated instead. That points to a very grave situation which this nation has never faced before! One of the President being a TRAITOR THATS HELLBENT ON DESTROYING THE NATION!
So Sharia law may temporarily take a backseat but know this , obama supports Sharia law coming here too..-Tyrwhat a sad stat this country must be in when the most Anti-America and Anti-God President in history gets reelected

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

what a sad stat this country must be in when the most Anti-America and Anti-God President in history get reelected

True but what is even worse is the huge number of people that see neither the sad state of the nation or the treason and corruption of the "messiah"!! Such delusion on so great a scale points to "spiritual" influence IMHO.
AS OF NOW THE DESTROYER IS SEEN AS THE SAVIOUR!! One that can do no wrong! This fallacy, this delusion represents its own great threat to our nation.. And the mainstream media is 100% in on it too! Otherwise it wouldnt have been pulled off --TWICE!--TYR

[Larrymc]

True but what is even worse is the huge number of people that see neither the sad state of the nation or the treason and corruption of the "messiah"!! Such delusion on so great a scale points to "spiritual" influence IMHO.
AS OF NOW THE DESTROYER IS SEEN AS THE SAVIOUR!! One that can do no wrong! This fallacy, this delusion represents its own great threat to our nation.. And the mainstream media is 100% in on it too! Otherwise it wouldnt have been pulled off --TWICE!--TYRThis why Obama has no intention to negotiate on the fiscal cliff, Greed and Selfishness runs rampant on all sides and he knows that when it hits there pocket books, even many conservatives while jump ship, which is evident by the ones already back tracking on there pledge to not raise Taxes.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

This why Obama has no intention to negotiate on the fiscal cliff, Greed and Selfishness runs rampant on all sides and he knows that when it hits there pocket books, even many conservatives while jump ship, which is evident by the ones already back tracking on there pledge to not raise Taxes.

Obama cares only that he wrecks havoc and destruction here. He knows that the media will always blame the Republican party regardless of the truth . He thinks to win either way that it goes! So he will not compromise and when we go over he will seek to use that newfound (engineered) "crisis" to push through more Unconstitutional crap.
America is facing a world changing decision point and its has stepped a big step down the wrong path towards destruction while following this traitor. He will either succeed in destroying the nation his way or by destroying the nation by starting a revolution. I truly believe that he would rather the REVOLUTION because he'd like to see a few million Americans dead from both sides. He wins either way according to his way of thinking.
America's greatest folly in this is its delusional embrace of this ffing traitor IMHO!
Only a severely dumbed down population(socialist public education system) could be led to make this supreme mistake!--Tyr

[Dilloduck]

Are you speaking about obama with that comment?
Because our nation has never had a politician as corrupt as he is! His open treason should be cause for his impeachment and imprisonment but its celebrated instead. That points to a very grave situation which this nation has never faced before! One of the President being a TRAITOR THATS HELLBENT ON DESTROYING THE NATION!
So Sharia law may temporarily take a backseat but know this , obama supports Sharia law coming here too..-Tyr

Why do you lie? Obama doesn't support Sharia law in America. If you think he does, you better make a damn good case instead of the "read between the lines" ones.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Why do you lie? Obama doesn't support Sharia law in America. If you think he does, you better make a damn good case instead of the "read between the lines" ones.

Read from this threadmy post number 1040 from yesterday. I already made the case..

And do not worry more info will come as obama reveals more of his agenda in the coming months and years.
Your blindness does not make him innocent of his actions and destructive policies!! -Tyr

[aboutime]

Why do you lie? Obama doesn't support Sharia law in America. If you think he does, you better make a damn good case instead of the "read between the lines" ones.


Dilloduck, that just won't get you, or Obama off the hook. You are defending Obama. So. You just bought the right to PROVE Obama doesn't support Sharia Law in America to all of us.

Most of us know. Obama intentionally stays quiet about that topic to protect his Real FEELINGS, and his A.G. Holder's position.

So. If you know for certain, and have proof Obama doesn't support Sharia law. NOW is the time to present the PROOF to back up your assertions above.

Reminder. Obama is the Liar you are defending. We have NO NEED to Lie about anything concerning Obama, or his policies. He has made them perfectly clear to THINKING people who pay attention, and know. HE LIES.

By the way...this was presented yesterday... Right here on DP:

by William Bigelow (http://www.debatepolicy.com/Columnists/William-Bigelow) 6 Aug 2012 737 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/Big-Government/2012/08/03/Obama-administration-paves-the-way-for-sharia-law#disqus_thread)post a comment (http://www.debatepolicy.com/Big-Government/2012/08/03/Obama-administration-paves-the-way-for-sharia-law#comments)
The most terrifying danger Americans face from a second Barack Obama term isn’t the economy, which is scary enough.

The most harrowing prospect is the Obama Administration’s passivity in the face of attempts to introduce aspects of sharia law into our legal system. Now there is strong and open evidence of the Obama administration collaborating with Islamist activists to ensure the path toward sharia law is accelerated.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Dilloduck, that just won't get you, or Obama off the hook. You are defending Obama. So. You just bought the right to PROVE Obama doesn't support Sharia Law in America to all of us.

Most of us know. Obama intentionally stays quiet about that topic to protect his Real FEELINGS, and his A.G. Holder's position.

So. If you know for certain, and have proof Obama doesn't support Sharia law. NOW is the time to present the PROOF to back up your assertions above.

Reminder. Obama is the Liar you are defending. We have NO NEED to Lie about anything concerning Obama, or his policies. He has made them perfectly clear to THINKING people who pay attention, and know. HE LIES.

By the way...this was presented yesterday... Right here on DP:

by William Bigelow (http://www.debatepolicy.com/Columnists/William-Bigelow) 6 Aug 2012 737 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/Big-Government/2012/08/03/Obama-administration-paves-the-way-for-sharia-law#disqus_thread)post a comment (http://www.debatepolicy.com/Big-Government/2012/08/03/Obama-administration-paves-the-way-for-sharia-law#comments)
The most terrifying danger Americans face from a second Barack Obama term isn’t the economy, which is scary enough.

The most harrowing prospect is the Obama Administration’s passivity in the face of attempts to introduce aspects of sharia law into our legal system. Now there is strong and open evidence of the Obama administration collaborating with Islamist activists to ensure the path toward sharia law is accelerated.

Dillo has faith in obama, why I havent a clue. The scum proved that he has ABSOLUTELY no honor and no integrity. Now he will prove his hatred for this nation in the coming years. If we even last that long!
It will be no pleasure for me to be able to say, "see I told you so"! My greatest wish is that I am wrong about his deliberate agenda to destroy this great nation... -Tyr

[aboutime]

Dillo has faith in obama, why I havent a clue. The scum proved that he has ABSOLUTELY no honor and no integrity. Now he will prove his hatred for this nation in the coming years. If we even last that long!
It will be no pleasure for me to be able to say, "see I told you so"! My greatest wish is that I am wrong about his deliberate agenda to destroy this great nation... -Tyr


Tyr. Even now. Long after the election, and the long years of warnings. Telling Obama lovers what they could expect if they foolishly gave him another four years to destroy not only America. But their lives as well.

They still refuse to listen, or accept the real facts. Instead. Because they are afraid to admit they have been lied to, and fooled better than any other time in their lives. They would rather accept WHAT IS COMING for all of us. And we all know. When the predictions we warned them about happen. They are still dumb enough to FIND WAYS TO BLAME everyone but themselves.
My biggest fear isn't for me. My future as a human in America is nearing the end of the play. But my five Grandchildren ARE what my fears face. How will ANYONE. Any American HONESTLY tell their young children, and grandchildren...."My selfishness in 2008 and 2012 RUINED your life when we voted for Obama".

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Tyr. Even now. Long after the election, and the long years of warnings. Telling Obama lovers what they could expect if they foolishly gave him another four years to destroy not only America. But their lives as well.

They still refuse to listen, or accept the real facts. Instead. Because they are afraid to admit they have been lied to, and fooled better than any other time in their lives. They would rather accept WHAT IS COMING for all of us. And we all know. When the predictions we warned them about happen. They are still dumb enough to FIND WAYS TO BLAME everyone but themselves.
My biggest fear isn't for me. My future as a human in America is nearing the end of the play. But my five Grandchildren ARE what my fears face. How will ANYONE. Any American HONESTLY tell their young children, and grandchildren...."My selfishness in 2008 and 2012 RUINED your life when we voted for Obama".

Amigo, I have absolutely no fear for myself. I fear for my children and grandchildren along with all those innocent of this insanity and treason. I can see whats coming and how the misery and deaths are sure to be blamed on the wrong party. And that is a big reason that obama wants the destruction, so he and the dems/lying media can blane it on the Christian religion, republicans and conservatives. We see the rotten and bitter fruits of the leftist/muslim alliance now. God help our children..-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/03/Obama-administration-paves-the-way-for-sharia-law

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The most terrifying danger Americans face from a second Barack Obama term isn’t the economy, which is scary enough.

The most harrowing prospect is the Obama Administration’s passivity in the face of attempts to introduce aspects of sharia law into our legal system. Now there is strong and open evidence of the Obama administration collaborating with Islamist activists to ensure the path toward sharia law is accelerated.
Just last week, Thomas Perez, Assistant Attorney General of the Department of Justice (DOJ) Civil Rights Division, was asked this question by Trent Franks (R-AZ), a member of the House Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on the Constitution: "Will you tell us here today that this Administration's Department of Justice will never entertain or advance a proposal that criminalizes speech against any religion?"
Perez refused (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wwv9l6W8yc) to answer. Four times.
And why would Franks target Perez?
Here’s why:
Last October, at George Washington University, there was a meeting between DOJ officials, including Perez, and Islamist advocates against free speech. Representatives from the Islamist side included Mohamed Magid, president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). The ISNA was an unindicted co-conspirator in a Hamas terror funding trial in 2008, as well as functioning as a Muslim Brotherhood Front. The leader of the Islamist attack was Sahar Aziz, an Egyptian-born American lawyer and Fellow at the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding, a Muslim advocacy group based in Michigan. At the meeting, the Islamists lobbied for:


Cutbacks in U.S. anti-terror training
Limits on the power of terrorism investigators
Changes in agent training manuals
A legal declaration that criticism of Islam in the United States should be considered racial discrimination


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Its coming here folks and soooooooooner than you may think. obama is all for it.--Tyr

Horseshit---you're reading between the lines again. Claiming that Obama secretly wants to impose Sharia law is hysteria. This is your idea of proof ?? </article>

[aboutime]

Horseshit---you're reading between the lines again. Claiming that Obama secretly wants to impose Sharia law is hysteria. This is your idea of proof ??


Dilloduck. Here is your opportunity to shine. Prove to us that Obama doesn't want to see Sharia Law applied to the U.S.A. And don't forget to remind yourself how...OBAMA has been ignoring Our constitution, and purposely IGNORING our laws with his lies.
Let's see how much you really know Dilloduck. Prove it with FACTS to the contrary. Then, we will listen to you.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Horseshit---you're reading between the lines again. Claiming that Obama secretly wants to impose Sharia law is hysteria. This is your idea of proof ?? </ARTICLE>

Numbers 1 thru 4 werent between the lines dude , they were the lines . Especially number 4!!
you choose to not believe anything negative about obama!
Soon obama will prove me right about him and you'll still deny it.

[Dilloduck]

And none of the lines say Obama supports the implementation of Sharia Law in America. The election is over. The sky is not falling.

[aboutime]

And none of the lines say Obama supports the implementation of Sharia Law in America. The election is over. The sky is not falling.


Dilloduck. You have no need to come here to remind the rest of us how your Comprehension skills are so bad. We all know that. Just go back and read what you said previously.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

And none of the lines say Obama supports the implementation of Sharia Law in America. The election is over. The sky is not falling.

Of course not. However they do show that he and his admin favor discussing it and that is the first step to appeasement. Otherwise why entertain the ideal at all? Why even meet with those freaking scum that seek special rights for their religion over the other religions? Obama is not tupid enough to come right out and say he favors it. No sir, his way will be to do things to help without it being seen by the public at large. Perhaps even in his fourth year of this term going all out trying to get the blasphemy law established .-Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.noozhawk.com/article/042712_harris_sherline_minority_rule/

We have now reached the point where the preferences of a single person or a small group can outweigh the wishes of everyone else.
A recent news story read in part: “Lone complaint leads to ban on inspirational banners in Georgia high school. Cheerleaders at Lakeview-Fort Oglethorpe High School (http://www.lakeviewfortoglethorpewarriors.com/) in Georgia have for many years created inspirational banners for home football games, the kind of banners players burst through as they come on to the field. … Particularly since 9/11 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks), the messages on the banners have often been verses from Scripture, such as ‘Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.’ But based on one single verbal complaint from a local resident, the Bible has been banned from pregame banners. Once again the tyranny of the minority — in this case a minority of one — has threatened both religious liberty and freedom of speech.”
Another example of a small minority imposing their will on the larger society occurred at Goshen College (http://www.goshen.edu/) in Indiana, a Mennonite school with about 1,000 students, where the school’s president banned the “Star-Spangled Banner” from being sung or played at all sporting events — because the words are too violent. He justified his decision by saying, “I am committed to retaining the best of what it means to be a Mennonite college, while opening the doors wider to all who share our core values. … And I invite others to join us at Goshen College as we make peace in all of its forms, even with the national anthem.”
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Told you people, our rights are often nullified by a single protestor!! How is this not liberal insanity?? How is it not divisive fear and attacks launched to destroy a culture and its traditions?? Would it be so easily tolerated were it not for PC crap that has been born and foisted upon us by those seeking to destroy our freedoms??
Either we grow a pair and really fight back or we will see our kids and grandkids in "chains" made by the minority .
Wake the hell up !!!!!-Tyr

[Dilloduck]

http://www.noozhawk.com/article/042712_harris_sherline_minority_rule/

We have now reached the point where the preferences of a single person or a small group can outweigh the wishes of everyone else.
A recent news story read in part: “Lone complaint leads to ban on inspirational banners in Georgia high school. Cheerleaders at Lakeview-Fort Oglethorpe High School (http://www.lakeviewfortoglethorpewarriors.com/) in Georgia have for many years created inspirational banners for home football games, the kind of banners players burst through as they come on to the field. … Particularly since 9/11 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks), the messages on the banners have often been verses from Scripture, such as ‘Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.’ But based on one single verbal complaint from a local resident, the Bible has been banned from pregame banners. Once again the tyranny of the minority — in this case a minority of one — has threatened both religious liberty and freedom of speech.”
Another example of a small minority imposing their will on the larger society occurred at Goshen College (http://www.goshen.edu/) in Indiana, a Mennonite school with about 1,000 students, where the school’s president banned the “Star-Spangled Banner” from being sung or played at all sporting events — because the words are too violent. He justified his decision by saying, “I am committed to retaining the best of what it means to be a Mennonite college, while opening the doors wider to all who share our core values. … And I invite others to join us at Goshen College as we make peace in all of its forms, even with the national anthem.”
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Told you people, our rights are often nullified by a single protestor!! How is this not liberal insanity?? How is it not divisive fear and attacks launched to destroy a culture and its traditions?? Would it be so easily tolerated were it not for PC crap that has been born and foisted upon us by those seeking to destroy our freedoms??
Either we grow a pair and really fight back or we will see our kids and grandkids in "chains" made by the minority .
Wake the hell up !!!!!-Tyr

and it ain't even Sharia Law

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

and it ain't even Sharia Law

Of course not, its laying the foundation for it. A house isnt built from the roof down pedro..
Destroy the rights of free men and yield to the demands of insane people==muslims.
When was the last time a lone protestor stopped a muslim religious ceremony or affiliated event?
When was the last time muslims paid any attention to a lone protestor that wasnt then killing the guy ??
Killing not yielding, get it??-Tyr

[aboutime]

and it ain't even Sharia Law


Dilloduck. That's what the Obama crowd, who is remaining so quiet, and even silent about Sharia law wants Americans to believe.

Out of sight, out of mind. Never mention it while secretly endorsing it.
Sound familiar? Like OBAMACARE and Nancy Pelosi telling us all
"We will know what's in the bill. After we vote for it!"

[Dilloduck]

Dilloduck. That's what the Obama crowd, who is remaining so quiet, and even silent about Sharia law wants Americans to believe.

Out of sight, out of mind. Never mention it while secretly endorsing it.
Sound familiar? Like OBAMACARE and Nancy Pelosi telling us all
"We will know what's in the bill. After we vote for it!"

Does Obama's crowd let you in on all his "secrets" ? It's impressive that you know so much top secret stuff !

[Larrymc]

Does Obama's crowd let you in on all his "secrets" ? It's impressive that you know so much top secret stuff !actually its not really secret, but you have to take your blinders off to see it.

[aboutime]

Does Obama's crowd let you in on all his "secrets" ? It's impressive that you know so much top secret stuff !


Matter of fact. Yes they do. The information comes from their very own lips, in the form of intentional omissions. Like..."Some things are better left...unsaid" and "It's a need to know basis".

Actually. If you study, and read Dilloduck. It becomes logic, common sense, and understanding what the REAL intentions are.

By the way. Who said it was "TOP SECRET"? Other than you?

[aboutime]

Matter of fact. Yes they do. The information comes from their very own lips, in the form of intentional omissions. Like..."Some things are better left...unsaid" and "It's a need to know basis".

Actually. If you study, and read Dilloduck. It becomes logic, common sense, and understanding what the REAL intentions are.

By the way. Who said it was "TOP SECRET"? Other than you?


Hey, Dilloduck. Where are you? Cat got your tongue, and you lost your typing skills?

[aboutime]

Anyone know where the Dillo4124 is, and why so QUIET?

[aboutime]

Anyone know where the Dillo4124 is, and why so QUIET?


​Anyone know if Dilloduck finally got the hint, and quit?????

[fj1200]

Maybe he's taking his own stand.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Of course not, its laying the foundation for it. A house isnt built from the roof down pedro..
Destroy the rights of free men and yield to the demands of insane people==muslims.
When was the last time a lone protestor stopped a muslim religious ceremony or affiliated event?
When was the last time muslims paid any attention to a lone protestor that wasnt then killing the guy ??
Killing not yielding, get it??-Tyr

No show, no answer Dillo????? Im disappointed that you abandoned the crusade..--Tyr

[logroller]

Of course not, its laying the foundation for it. A house isnt built from the roof down pedro..
Destroy the rights of free men and yield to the demands of insane people==muslims.
When was the last time a lone protestor stopped a muslim religious ceremony or affiliated event?
When was the last time muslims paid any attention to a lone protestor that wasnt then killing the guy ??
Killing not yielding, get it??-Tyr
A public school being forbidden from using religious scripture and a private religious college expressing their beliefs. That's your evidence. the foundation for that was laid in 1791.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

A public school being forbidden from using religious scripture and a private religious college expressing their beliefs. That's your evidence. the foundation for that was laid in 1791.

I think you should click the link and read a bit more. Apparently you missed a lot..-Tyr

[aboutime]

Would someone on this forum please explain WHY, everything, everyone happens to say about anything, at any time about whatever always turns the thread that talks about everything, everyone happens to say about anything....INTO AN INSTANT ARGUMENT??

[logroller]

I think you should click the link and read a bit more. Apparently you missed a lot..-Tyr
I think you should post the relevant information from your source, then maybe I'd be inclined to inquire further. As it stands, it's benign. I've trudged through many of your sources, But I shouldn't have to do that with every post of your's; I'm not your personal fact-checker.

[logroller]

Would someone on this forum please explain WHY, everything, everyone happens to say about anything, at any time about whatever always turns the thread that talks about everything, everyone happens to say about anything....INTO AN INSTANT ARGUMENT??
It's a DEBATE site.
Debate:
NounA formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward.

[aboutime]

It's a DEBATE site.
Debate:
NounA formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward.


So, you pretend to be the grammar, or spelling coach rather than answering my question? How typical, and expected is that?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I think you should post the relevant information from your source, then maybe I'd be inclined to inquire further. As it stands, it's benign. I've trudged through many of your sources, But I shouldn't have to do that with every post of your's; I'm not your personal fact-checker.

Im limited as to how much I can post . If you refuse to click on the link to read ,dont complain when I say you lack info from my source. Read or dont read, I do not care. However, I will not discuss the subject with you when you say you will not read my source.
Its your call, not mine. Dont trudge, try actually reading for a change, it works wonders. -Tyr

[aboutime]

Im limited as to how much I can post . If you refuse to click on the link to read ,dont complain when I say you lack info from my source. Read or dont read, I do not care. However, I will not discuss the subject with you when you say you will not read my source.
Its your call, not mine. Dont trudge, try actually reading for a change, it works wonders. -Tyr


Tyr. All of that phony stuff from logroller is just typical, liberal tactics they normally use to avoid actually being committed to honestly answering any questions.
Pointing out grammar, spelling, and punctuation...instead of sticking to the topic is just more of the same LIBERAL stupidity on parade.

[logroller]

Im limited as to how much I can post . If you refuse to click on the link to read ,dont complain when I say you lack info from my source. Read or dont read, I do not care. However, I will not discuss the subject with you when you say you will not read my source.
Its your call, not mine. Dont trudge, try actually reading for a change, it works wonders. -Tyr
try reading? how bout you try editing apropos. Rather than parroting insignificant details and blaming fair use.
That you cant be bothered to edit your source speaks of your unwillingness, not mine.
What's the big deal with the public school not being allowed to post religious scripture at a public sporting event?
They let it slide until someone complained. Then they look at the rules and say, yea well, can't do that. Happens all the time. Is there more to the story-- pray tell.
A private Mennonite college not allowing the singing of the national anthem. Do you know what Mennonite beliefs are? Here's a hint, they're a peace church, strongly opposed to war and violence. Do you know what the national anthem details...events of war. So prior to admonishing me about what I need to read, try comprehending what you read before posting-- Might help with the editing too:thumb:

[fj1200]

Would someone on this forum please explain WHY, everything, everyone happens to say about anything, at any time about whatever always turns the thread that talks about everything, everyone happens to say about anything....INTO AN INSTANT ARGUMENT??

Because you throw a little fit every time someone challenges the premise of your argument.

[logroller]

Tyr. All of that phony stuff from logroller is just typical, liberal tactics they normally use to avoid actually being committed to honestly answering any questions.
Pointing out grammar, spelling, and punctuation...instead of sticking to the topic is just more of the same LIBERAL stupidity on parade.
Right. Cause personal attacks are far more effective lacking rudimentary communication skills. Btw, I answered your question honestly. Show me one I have not. Ill respond.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

try reading? how bout you try editing apropos. Rather than parroting insignificant details and blaming fair use.
That you cant be bothered to edit your source speaks of your unwillingness, not mine.
What's the big deal with the public school not being allowed to post religious scripture at a public sporting event?
They let it slide until someone complained. Then they look at the rules and say, yea well, can't do that. Happens all the time. Is there more to the story-- pray tell.
A private Mennonite college not allowing the singing of the national anthem. Do you know what Mennonite beliefs are? Here's a hint, they're a peace church, strongly opposed to war and violence. Do you know what the national anthem details...events of war. So prior to admonishing me about what I need to read, try comprehending what you read before posting-- Might help with the editing too:thumb:

You are the one saying that you didn't trudge and were not going to trudge.
Don't blame me if I take you at your word. I simply pointed out you missed a lot because you claimed to have not read the link or even checked any of the other sources linked. Again do not blame me for taking you at your word. A wise man reads to understand... However I sympathise with the horrors of having to "trudge". You are not alone my friend in that boat..-Tyr

[logroller]

You are the one saying that you didn't trudge and were not going to trudge.
Don't blame me if I take you at your word. I simply pointed out you missed a lot because you claimed to have not read the link or even checked any of the other sources linked. Again do not blame me for taking you at your word. A wise man reads to understand... However I sympathise with the horrors of having to "trudge". You are not alone my friend in that boat..-Tyr
I read what you posted-- the words you presented. From that, i responded. If you fail to support your premise its not my fault-- im not going to look for the evidence that you can't present. Why would I read on , or "trudge through", when nothing in the blurb warrants me doing so? I read a lot; but i don't read a whole book when the intro and first chapter offer nothing. What you said I responded to; but you seem to dodge my responses. I'll ask again, what in the article refutes my assessment? Was it not a public school using biblical scripture? Was it not a private school expressing their religious beliefs? Why doesnt the first amendment apply to both?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I read what you posted-- the words you presented. From that, i responded. If you fail to support your premise its not my fault-- im not going to look for the evidence that you can't present. Why would I read on , or "trudge through", when nothing in the blurb warrants me doing so? I read a lot; but i don't read a whole book when the intro and first chapter offer nothing. What you said I responded to; but you seem to dodge my responses. I'll ask again, what in the article refutes my assessment? Was it not a public school using biblical scripture? Was it not a private school expressing their religious beliefs? Why doesnt the first amendment apply to both?

Lets not quibble . I understand your loathing for "trudging" through a very long and complicated link.
Rather than carry on this way , I will do some more trudging and get back to you. Although not right this minute as I have other non-trudging things to do. Life is wonderful like that, we have such a variety of activities to meander through so often, wouldn't you agree?-;)-Tyr

[aboutime]

Lets not quibble . I understand your loathing for "trudging" through a very long and complicated link.
Rather than carry on this way , I will do some more trudging and get back to you. Although not right this minute as I have other non-trudging things to do. Life is wonderful like that, we have such a variety of activities to meander through so often, wouldn't you agree?-;)-Tyr


4150 Trudging along through a complicated link is Tiring.....4150

[aboutime]

This is how I have been feeling since yesterday...

Taking my stand, and I don't care who doesn't like it....


http://youtu.be/GMuZdN84PJg

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

This is how I have been feeling since yesterday...

Taking my stand, and I don't care who doesn't like it....


http://youtu.be/GMuZdN84PJg

Salty, my wife and son got a big kick out of watching that video. Thanks.-Tyr

[aboutime]

Salty, my wife and son got a big kick out of watching that video. Thanks.-Tyr


Thanks. That's the way I hope everybody feels today.

With everything seeming to fall down around us. We all need to SMILE, and LAUGH a little more.

Glad it made you all feel good.

It worked!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I think you should post the relevant information from your source, then maybe I'd be inclined to inquire further. As it stands, it's benign. I've trudged through many of your sources, But I shouldn't have to do that with every post of your's; I'm not your personal fact-checker.

I do not refuse to read a source then comment on it too. Or comment on its lack of purpose. How would you know if you did not read it?? Complaining that I do not edit my sources in a correct manner is an old dodge as is the often used, it was too long to read.
If you reject the source and refuse to read it don't then come on and make other comments about it or try to belittle me for posting too much or too little of it.
As long as this thread is you have enough material to consider . Running the pony around the track for the umpteenth time and for the hell of it isn't going to be especially useful at this point IMHO.. As stated I stand against Islam and its goal of world domination. Against its sanctioned use of murder and terror. Now refute that stand as best as you can. I think you can not do so. Thats why there has been so much side dancing going on in this thread.-Tyr

[aboutime]

Welcome to another round of whatever someone cares to call it. 2013 is gonna be an extended REPEAT of 2012 here.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Welcome to another round of whatever someone cares to call it. 2013 is gonna be an extended REPEAT of 2012 here.

I took a firm and open stand against Islam and its openly announced goals . Against its use of murder , terror and intimidation. As long as this thread is 74 pages almost 1100 replies and still nobody has proven that to be wrong or a folly on my part. A lot of sidetracking, side dancing and false accusations tossed at me on this thread but no proving me to be a madman, a fool or a liar!
The TRUTH of it can not be defeated. The reality of the horror the Islamists inflict upon the world each and everyday has been documented and is easy found if one merely looks. I present much of it on another very long thread listing the attacks that they carry out around the world daily. Nobody has refuted that truth either..
Absolutely no need to post lies here when the TRUTH is so damning all by itself!!!!-Tyr

[aboutime]

I took a firm and open stand against Islam and its openly announced goals . Against its use of murder , terror and intimidation. As long as this thread is 74 pages almost 1100 replies and still nobody has proven that to be wrong or a folly on my part. A lot of sidetracking, side dancing and false accusations tossed at me on this thread but no proving me to be a madman, a fool or a liar!
The TRUTH of it can not be defeated. The reality of the horror the Islamists inflict upon the world each and everyday has been documented and is easy found if one merely looks. I present much of it on another very long thread listing the attacks that they carry out around the world daily. Nobody has refuted that truth either..
Absolutely no need to post lies here when the TRUTH is so damning all by itself!!!!-Tyr
No disagreement from me Tyr.

We all know, very well. Nothing ruins a liberal mind-set faster than being confronted with TRUTH, and HONESTY.
Which explains why they hate being cornered with NO PLACE TO RUN.

[aboutime]

Thought this might help. A little off target, but a Real Friend of mine sent it to me today..

http://us-mg5.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=2%5f0%5f0%5f1%5f50063%5fANtbimIAAPiHU PIxfAFYGSdjcv0&pid=2&fid=Inbox&inline=1&appid=YahooMailNeo

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

No disagreement from me Tyr.

We all know, very well. Nothing ruins a liberal mind-set faster than being confronted with TRUTH, and HONESTY.
Which explains why they hate being cornered with NO PLACE TO RUN.


Seems my stand does well. The opposition to it it has diminished greatly. Now that we see how much of my predictions about the traitor obama and the muslim threats are coming true! -Tyr

[aboutime]

Thought this might help. A little off target, but a Real Friend of mine sent it to me today..

http://us-mg5.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=2%5f0%5f0%5f1%5f50063%5fANtbimIAAPiHU PIxfAFYGSdjcv0&pid=2&fid=Inbox&inline=1&appid=YahooMailNeo


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[logroller]

I do not refuse to read a source then comment on it too. Or comment on its lack of purpose. How would you know if you did not read it?? Complaining that I do not edit my sources in a correct manner is an old dodge as is the often used, it was too long to read.
If you reject the source and refuse to read it don't then come on and make other comments about it or try to belittle me for posting too much or too little of it.
As long as this thread is you have enough material to consider . Running the pony around the track for the umpteenth time and for the hell of it isn't going to be especially useful at this point IMHO.. As stated I stand against Islam and its goal of world domination. Against its sanctioned use of murder and terror. Now refute that stand as best as you can. I think you can not do so. Thats why there has been so much side dancing going on in this thread.-Tyr
Read your blurb, thought it benign. Went to the source; same conclusion. Thanks for wasting my time on your dog and pony show. I'll not continue to do so.

[logroller]

http://www.alislam.org/khilafat/fifth/
I took a firm and open stand against Islam and its openly announced goals . Against its use of murder , terror and intimidation. As long as this thread is 74 pages almost 1100 replies and still nobody has proven that to be wrong or a folly on my part. A lot of sidetracking, side dancing and false accusations tossed at me on this thread but no proving me to be a madman, a fool or a liar!
The TRUTH of it can not be defeated. The reality of the horror the Islamists inflict upon the world each and everyday has been documented and is easy found if one merely looks. I present much of it on another very long thread listing the attacks that they carry out around the world daily. Nobody has refuted that truth either..
Absolutely no need to post lies here when the TRUTH is so damning all by itself!!!!-Tyrwhat what is an Islamist; a Muslim?
there are sects within Islam; are they all bad? Is every Muslim your enemy? You take a bold stand; but here is a Muslim who lives by the Koran that preaches peace and coexistence. Indeed he is persecuted by other Muslims; but he is a Muslim-- so is he your enemy? Do you stand against him; he is a Muslim after all! That is true. Yet he is not attacking people, using murder, intimidation and terror. What say you? Will you rally to the defense of a peaceful muslim who violent muslims consider a threat? Or will you reject him?

[aboutime]

http://www.alislam.org/khilafat/fifth/what what is an Islamist; a Muslim?
there are sects within Islam; are they all bad? Is every Muslim your enemy? You take a bold stand; but here is a Muslim who lives by the Koran that preaches peace and coexistence. Indeed he is persecuted by other Muslims; but he is a Muslim-- so is he your enemy? Do you stand against him; he is a Muslim after all! That is true. Yet he is not attacking people, using murder, intimidation and terror. What say you? Will you rally to the defense of a peaceful muslim who violent muslims consider a threat? Or will you reject him?


logroller. Why the constant liberal style hypocrisy?

You would be better off in proving your point if you provided a link, or quote from Tyr where he says the words "ALL Muslims, or All Islamists". Think that would help your effort to constantly find reasons to argue????

[bingster]

Of what good is peace if it is bought at the cost of sacrificing all that we hold dear? There is a great failure in our country today and that is the failure to understand total submission. What total submission is and how it could lead to our demise. The greatest example of total submission today is Islam. Yes, Islam is the essence of total submission and it demands that not only from its followers but also from all that it confronts.
Surely we that place such great value on justice and freedom can see that there can be absolutely no peace with Islam, with those so dedicated to destroying freedom and justice as we know it. Destroying it as our founders intended and created a governing magnificent document to guide.
Should we fail to unite and arrive at that conclusion, create a proper plan of action and pursue it with determination we shall meet our destruction. For abandoning our integrity, honor and justice we shall pay a heavy price. One that few will dare admit because such tragedy is always the fate of others and we console ourselves with that old line of comforting thinking. Should we fail to act such tragedy may possibly be a just fate for a peoples that have betrayed the sacrifice of millions that gave us the most precious of blessings: Independence, freedom, Rule of law and Constitution.! Such a combination that was not only unique in the world but has since failed to be duplicated !
Should we abandone common sense, Rule of Law to follow the easier path of appeasement our choice made to avoid confronting our fears and our enemy shall almost certainly bring destruction for having renounced the gift that has been dearly bought with the blood, tears and treasure of countless Americans that have lived and died fighting the true fight. The good fight of justice over injustice , of good over evil and the happiness of having created and passed on a blessing beyond compare to future generations..
Rather than yield to complacency, indifference and shallow lusts of the times it may be wise to learn again how to fall to bended knee and asked for strength of mind , pureness of heart and justice defended by righteous blade and keen intellect! If you have no “blade” sell your costly toys to buy the best money can buy. For what good be such if in maintaining one looses their head? Ask not mercy and gifts from enemies with no honor but instead stand firm defend your life, your family and your country! For life often demands great sacrifice, think not and life will take that and more. The more being that which few can or will dare imagine but life cares not about our fears and failures. It is we that should care more about life!
Care enough to stand against those that would murder our parents, enslave our children and exstinguish freedom and justice forever. Islam, shall not subjugate this great nation. Shall not if we face it without fear and with determination birthed from defending that which is good and right about our nation. The nation created to be the guiding light to the world. A Christian nation blessed by God and occupied by those brave enough to spill blood , blood of others as well as their own! -Tyr

No link , my composition...

It's a great composition. You ought to sell it to Limbaugh.

Islam is not inherently anymore good nor evil than Christianity. If you meant Al Qaeda or extremists, then you would have a point. The old testament says the penalties of the following are death: homosexuality, working on the Sabbath, eating pork or shell fish, touching pork, committing adultery, planting two different crops together, using two different cloths in making a dress, etc.... and at the same time has no problem with slavery and has a sexist view of adultery-you die if you're female, but not male.

Any time you take any religion and follow it to the letter explicitly as written, you will have some kind of Taliban-like sect. Jews are much more Orthodox than Christians are with the Bible, but they are over it. They are more mature. They observe many more parts of the old testament, but, at the same time, are more liberal. They understand that the Bible was written a long time ago and does not apply, completely, to now.

Then I get to your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th paragraphs and think that you just love to tie unrelated words together that sound pretty, but don't mean anything. I guess you think: Constitution-good; Islam-Bad. I agree with the first and think you are prejudice in the second. If this is about outlawing Sharia, it's ridiculous. For the same reason you can't make Christianity the law, you can't make Islam the law (1st Amendment). If you think we should get together and take out the Islamists, sorry, "shock and awe" won't do it. Surveys say Muslims of the world will out-number Christians by the year 2016.

If you want a fight with this outnumbering foe, you should keep inaccurately identifying our nation as a Christian one. Besides the fact that you are alienating at least 40% of our population and calling them "not part of our nation", you are pitting us against a foe that multiplies 10-fold every time we show such intolerant attitudes. I'm not talking about Islam now, I'm talking about Al Qaeda who are just a little bit less crazy than someone who would actually take all of the Bible seriously. They want you to talk ignorant so that they can copy your words onto fliers, recruit poor people, and kill Americans. You keep it up though, it's your Constitutional right; but is it your moral right?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

It's a great composition. You ought to sell it to Limbaugh.

Islam is not inherently anymore good nor evil than Christianity. If you meant Al Qaeda or extremists, then you would have a point. The old testament says the penalties of the following are death: homosexuality, working on the Sabbath, eating pork or shell fish, touching pork, committing adultery, planting two different crops together, using two different cloths in making a dress, etc.... and at the same time has no problem with slavery and has a sexist view of adultery-you die if you're female, but not male.

Any time you take any religion and follow it to the letter explicitly as written, you will have some kind of Taliban-like sect. Jews are much more Orthodox than Christians are with the Bible, but they are over it. They are more mature. They observe many more parts of the old testament, but, at the same time, are more liberal. They understand that the Bible was written a long time ago and does not apply, completely, to now.

Then I get to your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th paragraphs and think that you just love to tie unrelated words together that sound pretty, but don't mean anything. I guess you think: Constitution-good; Islam-Bad. I agree with the first and think you are prejudice in the second. If this is about outlawing Sharia, it's ridiculous. For the same reason you can't make Christianity the law, you can't make Islam the law (1st Amendment). If you think we should get together and take out the Islamists, sorry, "shock and awe" won't do it. Surveys say Muslims of the world will out-number Christians by the year 2016.

If you want a fight with this outnumbering foe, you should keep inaccurately identifying our nation as a Christian one. Besides the fact that you are alienating at least 40% of our population and calling them "not part of our nation", you are pitting us against a foe that multiplies 10-fold every time we show such intolerant attitudes. I'm not talking about Islam now, I'm talking about Al Qaeda who are just a little bit less crazy than someone who would actually take all of the Bible seriously. They want you to talk ignorant so that they can copy your words onto fliers, recruit poor people, and kill Americans. You keep it up though, it's your Constitutional right; but is it your moral right?

Its my moral right to present the TRUTH for others to measure for themselves. I did with that composition. Accept or reject it but its the truth. Islam --the religion-- intends on conquering ALL. History reveals what that brings! Its not paradise but is enslavement into the strictest religion on earth. Its also the murder of -ALL- that do not convert. Deny these truths all that you like, the Truth shall not be conquered. It matters not , for you would have greater success at beating down a granite wall with a goose feather my friend.
As to my words being used to recruit new enemies. So your , "speak not lest you be aiding the enemy" has no merit.
It plays right into the muslim demand that no criticism of their religion be allowed. You do not defeat an enemy by yielding to its demands !
Islam is the enemy , not just its radical elements, as those radical elements are just its members currently taking action.They are fully supported by at least 90% of the entirety. Jihad is a core part of Islam and they all know and believe that. Its we infidels that are being lied to about that.

I was taught, speak the truth, speak it loud and speak it often. For the world needs desperately to hear it and to be forced to consider its meaning. Islam kills to keep the truth hidden. I speak it regardless. A man has to die sometime why not do so by -NOT- aiding liars and murderers!?? INSTEAD POINT OUT THEIR LIES AND MURDERING DEEDS! To silence me they will have to kill me.
I seek to defend my family and my nation, dying doing that should it come isn't a bad way to go. We all die..-Tyr

[aboutime]

It's a great composition. You ought to sell it to Limbaugh.

Islam is not inherently anymore good nor evil than Christianity. If you meant Al Qaeda or extremists, then you would have a point. The old testament says the penalties of the following are death: homosexuality, working on the Sabbath, eating pork or shell fish, touching pork, committing adultery, planting two different crops together, using two different cloths in making a dress, etc.... and at the same time has no problem with slavery and has a sexist view of adultery-you die if you're female, but not male.

Any time you take any religion and follow it to the letter explicitly as written, you will have some kind of Taliban-like sect. Jews are much more Orthodox than Christians are with the Bible, but they are over it. They are more mature. They observe many more parts of the old testament, but, at the same time, are more liberal. They understand that the Bible was written a long time ago and does not apply, completely, to now.

Then I get to your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th paragraphs and think that you just love to tie unrelated words together that sound pretty, but don't mean anything. I guess you think: Constitution-good; Islam-Bad. I agree with the first and think you are prejudice in the second. If this is about outlawing Sharia, it's ridiculous. For the same reason you can't make Christianity the law, you can't make Islam the law (1st Amendment). If you think we should get together and take out the Islamists, sorry, "shock and awe" won't do it. Surveys say Muslims of the world will out-number Christians by the year 2016.

If you want a fight with this outnumbering foe, you should keep inaccurately identifying our nation as a Christian one. Besides the fact that you are alienating at least 40% of our population and calling them "not part of our nation", you are pitting us against a foe that multiplies 10-fold every time we show such intolerant attitudes. I'm not talking about Islam now, I'm talking about Al Qaeda who are just a little bit less crazy than someone who would actually take all of the Bible seriously. They want you to talk ignorant so that they can copy your words onto fliers, recruit poor people, and kill Americans. You keep it up though, it's your Constitutional right; but is it your moral right?



bingster. Now I remember you. 4314 Choose one. Both resemble your mental challenges. 4315 Both brainless, and so Liberal. Their photos are in the dictionary next to Liberal, and Idiots.

[Drummond]

It's a great composition. You ought to sell it to Limbaugh.

Islam is not inherently anymore good nor evil than Christianity. If you meant Al Qaeda or extremists, then you would have a point. The old testament says the penalties of the following are death: homosexuality, working on the Sabbath, eating pork or shell fish, touching pork, committing adultery, planting two different crops together, using two different cloths in making a dress, etc.... and at the same time has no problem with slavery and has a sexist view of adultery-you die if you're female, but not male.

Any time you take any religion and follow it to the letter explicitly as written, you will have some kind of Taliban-like sect. Jews are much more Orthodox than Christians are with the Bible, but they are over it. They are more mature. They observe many more parts of the old testament, but, at the same time, are more liberal. They understand that the Bible was written a long time ago and does not apply, completely, to now.

Then I get to your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th paragraphs and think that you just love to tie unrelated words together that sound pretty, but don't mean anything. I guess you think: Constitution-good; Islam-Bad. I agree with the first and think you are prejudice in the second. If this is about outlawing Sharia, it's ridiculous. For the same reason you can't make Christianity the law, you can't make Islam the law (1st Amendment). If you think we should get together and take out the Islamists, sorry, "shock and awe" won't do it. Surveys say Muslims of the world will out-number Christians by the year 2016.

If you want a fight with this outnumbering foe, you should keep inaccurately identifying our nation as a Christian one. Besides the fact that you are alienating at least 40% of our population and calling them "not part of our nation", you are pitting us against a foe that multiplies 10-fold every time we show such intolerant attitudes. I'm not talking about Islam now, I'm talking about Al Qaeda who are just a little bit less crazy than someone who would actually take all of the Bible seriously. They want you to talk ignorant so that they can copy your words onto fliers, recruit poor people, and kill Americans. You keep it up though, it's your Constitutional right; but is it your moral right?

Hello Bingster. I hope you're enjoying this forum.

I for one an enjoying posts from you, such as this one. Most entertaining.

My reply to you is a rather simple one, but nonetheless I'd like you to consider it.

Here's the thing ... you've tried to claim, and I quote, 'Islam is not inherently anymore good nor evil than Christianity.' Well - do you really believe that ? Oh, I'm aware of the attempt you made in your paragraph to equate Old Testament writings to barbarities, so as to claim that this has an equivalence to Islam.

But - can you explain how it is that Islamic barbarities PERSIST in the modern world, whereas such practices from Christians do not ? In today's world, we learn of beheadings, children forced to wear bombs, honour killings, stonings to death, we know that under Sharia Law, even the barbaric practice of chopping peoples' hands off for stealing is considered 'just'.

Islamists want Sharia Law to become UNIVERSAL, and they want this, knowing full well what this would mean for mankind's future suffering. But they want that, regardless.

Modern-day Christians just don't think like that. They have nothing driving them to such extremes, they want to inflict none of those cruelties and savageries on others. I ask .. WHY NOT ?

What's your answer ? If your conclusion about religious parity is correct, how can you explain this ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Read your blurb, thought it benign. Went to the source; same conclusion. Thanks for wasting my time on your dog and pony show. I'll not continue to do so.

Fine, then don't but your side dancing may impress you but not me. You stand for Islam and I stand against Islam. You attempt to belittle the truth about its evils while you laud its supposed peace. Peace from this religion that has directly caused the death of about 270 million people. And now wages war worldwide ! Play your - "they just misunderstood" crapola to somebody silly enough to believe it. I am not buying it.. --Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Read your blurb, thought it benign. Went to the source; same conclusion. Thanks for wasting my time on your dog and pony show. I'll not continue to do so.


Hello Bingster. I hope you're enjoying this forum.

I for one an enjoying posts from you, such as this one. Most entertaining.

My reply to you is a rather simple one, but nonetheless I'd like you to consider it.

Here's the thing ... you've tried to claim, and I quote, 'Islam is not inherently anymore good nor evil than Christianity.' Well - do you really believe that ? Oh, I'm aware of the attempt you made in your paragraph to equate Old Testament writings to barbarities, so as to claim that this has an equivalence to Islam.

But - can you explain how it is that Islamic barbarities PERSIST in the modern world, whereas such practices from Christians do not ? In today's world, we learn of beheadings, children forced to wear bombs, honour killings, stonings to death, we know that under Sharia Law, even the barbaric practice of chopping peoples' hands off for stealing is considered 'just'.

Islamists want Sharia Law to become UNIVERSAL, and they want this, knowing full well what this would mean for mankind's future suffering. But they want that, regardless.

Modern-day Christians just don't think like that. They have nothing driving them to such extremes, they want to inflict none of those cruelties and savageries on others. I ask .. WHY NOT ?

What's your answer ? If your conclusion about religious parity is correct, how can you explain this ?

The bingster just compared sheep to a rampaging wolves. I can't wait to see the explanation! Should be good! ;)-TZ

[aboutime]

Fine, then don't but your side dancing may impress you but not me. You stand for Islam and I stand against Islam. You attempt to belittle the truth about its evils while you laud its supposed peace. Peace from this religion that has directly caused the death of about 270 million people. And now wages war worldwide ! Play your - "they just misunderstood" crapola to somebody silly enough to believe it. I am not buying it.. --Tyr


Tyr. Bingster seems to resemble, or could possibly be someone WE both knew from another place. And instead of Bingster. Think of Opinionated, or work your way back to other DIE-HARD Libs.

[Drummond]

The bingster just compared sheep to a rampaging wolves. I can't wait to see the explanation! Should be good! ;)-TZ

Yes, indeed, Tyr. I'll periodically check back to see if 'bingster' has even a half-intelligible explanation to offer.

[aboutime]

Yes, indeed, Tyr. I'll periodically check back to see if 'bingster' has even a half-intelligible explanation to offer.


Sir Drummond. The member who goes by the name Binkster has only one reason, or intention for being here.

Like so many others. His/Her only cause is to disrupt, and remind everyone how little intelligence is required to be such a good Binkster jerk.

[bingster]

bingster. Now I remember you. 4314 Choose one. Both resemble your mental challenges. 4315 Both brainless, and so Liberal. Their photos are in the dictionary next to Liberal, and Idiots.

Well, now you're talking. According to the dictionary, if these folks are idiots and they're obviously smarter than you are..... you must be an imbecile.

[bingster]

Sir Drummond. The member who goes by the name Binkster has only one reason, or intention for being here.

Like so many others. His/Her only cause is to disrupt, and remind everyone how little intelligence is required to be such a good Binkster jerk.

You know, this is supposed to be a forum where people get to argue things. If you'd rather be alone with yourself where nobody criticizes you and you get to be happy and feel joy all by yourself....... then it's called masturbation.

Have some nads and argue with me. Cut out the insults and grow some testicles and a brain. I'm sick of being nice to people who insult me and don't have a big enough brain to compete.

[bingster]

Sir Drummond. The member who goes by the name Binkster has only one reason, or intention for being here.

Like so many others. His/Her only cause is to disrupt, and remind everyone how little intelligence is required to be such a good Binkster jerk.

Am I disrupting your ability to agree with people who only agree with you?

[bingster]

Hello Bingster. I hope you're enjoying this forum.

I for one an enjoying posts from you, such as this one. Most entertaining.

My reply to you is a rather simple one, but nonetheless I'd like you to consider it.

Here's the thing ... you've tried to claim, and I quote, 'Islam is not inherently anymore good nor evil than Christianity.' Well - do you really believe that ? Oh, I'm aware of the attempt you made in your paragraph to equate Old Testament writings to barbarities, so as to claim that this has an equivalence to Islam.

But - can you explain how it is that Islamic barbarities PERSIST in the modern world, whereas such practices from Christians do not ? In today's world, we learn of beheadings, children forced to wear bombs, honour killings, stonings to death, we know that under Sharia Law, even the barbaric practice of chopping peoples' hands off for stealing is considered 'just'.

Islamists want Sharia Law to become UNIVERSAL, and they want this, knowing full well what this would mean for mankind's future suffering. But they want that, regardless.

Modern-day Christians just don't think like that. They have nothing driving them to such extremes, they want to inflict none of those cruelties and savageries on others. I ask .. WHY NOT ?

What's your answer ? If your conclusion about religious parity is correct, how can you explain this ?

The point is that you are not referring to ALL Islamists. You are talking about the Taliban or Al Qaeda. There is a difference. Your remarks are offensive to peace-loving Islamists everywhere that make up, like I said, almost as large a population as Christians.


KKK is Christian. The Crusades were Christian led. There are very bad factions of the Christian religion. No, I don't think there is any Christian faction currently as bad as Al Qaeda, but blaming all of Islam is quite incindiary and ignorant.

[bingster]

Tyr. Bingster seems to resemble, or could possibly be someone WE both knew from another place. And instead of Bingster. Think of Opinionated, or work your way back to other DIE-HARD Libs.

I don't know who you guys think I am. You can refuse to believe me or you can believe me. I really don't care. I've never been on a forum like this. Since I started I've gone by the user name "bingster".

[bingster]

Yes, indeed, Tyr. I'll periodically check back to see if 'bingster' has even a half-intelligible explanation to offer.

I don't get that. sheep with wolves? are you guys talking in code now?

[bingster]

Hello Bingster. I hope you're enjoying this forum.

I for one an enjoying posts from you, such as this one. Most entertaining.

My reply to you is a rather simple one, but nonetheless I'd like you to consider it.

Here's the thing ... you've tried to claim, and I quote, 'Islam is not inherently anymore good nor evil than Christianity.' Well - do you really believe that ? Oh, I'm aware of the attempt you made in your paragraph to equate Old Testament writings to barbarities, so as to claim that this has an equivalence to Islam.

But - can you explain how it is that Islamic barbarities PERSIST in the modern world, whereas such practices from Christians do not ? In today's world, we learn of beheadings, children forced to wear bombs, honour killings, stonings to death, we know that under Sharia Law, even the barbaric practice of chopping peoples' hands off for stealing is considered 'just'.

Islamists want Sharia Law to become UNIVERSAL, and they want this, knowing full well what this would mean for mankind's future suffering. But they want that, regardless.

Modern-day Christians just don't think like that. They have nothing driving them to such extremes, they want to inflict none of those cruelties and savageries on others. I ask .. WHY NOT ?

What's your answer ? If your conclusion about religious parity is correct, how can you explain this ?


Again, all Islamist don't want sharia law and you're ignorant for thinking this. There are plenty of Islamists in this country and they aren't looking for an opportunity to take out a couple more towers.

[bingster]

Don't you folks recognize that casting aspersions on all of Islam is the same as pigeon-holing all whites, or blacks, or orientals? It's not all about Jihad against American people. You are perpetrating a hate against a group of people, most of whom have no problem with us.

Even George W., who I make no secret about the fact that I thought was an idiot, knew better than the premise of this entire thread. He made a concerted effort to say out loud in public, on tv, with cameras around and everything to say:

"This is not a war against Islam."

and it shouldn't be.




I miss George. He made the Republican party look smart compared to the Republican party of today.

[bingster]

Let me break it down for you.

I grew up in awe of Muhammad Ali who was raised as Cassius Clay in a land that considered this big monkey of a man as other than a human being. He was a circus act who could knock other black people down but who cares? He's just a negro, an uppity negro who's mouth is bigger than his brain. When the Vietnam draft came up he said "I don't have any quarrel with these people. No Vietnamese ever called me 'nigger'." He adopted the nation of Islam, because his own nation was unworthy of him.

Later on, I married a former citizen of Iran. I enlisted in the army in the 80's so I told folks that my wife was Persian, because I knew my mates didn't realize my wife was from Iran (remember Iran/Contra?). She is a Shia Muslim-a member of Islam-the minority of the Islam nation. 90% of Islam is Sunni, 10% including most of Iran is Shiite. I was married to her for 2 years.

Even after my marriage to Farimah, I was still confused about the nation of Islam, I read twice "Far East for Dummies" twice and took notes both times.

You people obviously don't like liberals. I get that. You watch Fox News that is owned 15% by the same guy that Rudolf Guliani (sp?) turned down what he called a bribe of millions of dollars of donations from a guy named <tt>Prince Alwaleed bin Talal
bin Abdul Aziz Alsaud. This guy is the largest single owner of Fox News, but he must have submitted some kind of an agreement, because Glen Beck, while taking the Sheik's money, ran countless shows against the guy.

The nation of Islam is not about distroying America. Only the most severe reading of the Koran, and ignorant reading of the Koran, like the most ignorant reading of the Bible, dictates destroying the religious foes of the religion. A large percentage of this religion wants to live in peace.

I've been a Walgreens employer for the last 23 years in which at least 10% of my pharmacy has always been Muslim. I guess they have better schools over there, because a large percentage of pharmacists in this country are Muslim. Some of the ladies wear the burka, some don't, but all of them have been peace loving people.

I'm just an immoral, whiney, slutty liberal, but I think I know more about Islam than you Fox News watching, Rush Llmbaugh-loving Ditto-heads. If I don't know something, I look it up and don't believe, automatically, the rantings of a Glenn Beck, or a group of Fox Friends who say you can get your pap smears at Walgreens (in their rail against Family Planning). I can assure you that there are no ankle clamps on our photo kiosk for pap smears. Tell it to Fox News-we received a bunch of corporate cautionery e-mails on that bull-crap claim.

Either cut the eye-holes a little larger, or just take off the white sheets you cover yourself with because the mission of this thread is completely racist in tone and intent. You guys don't know what the hell you are talking about and your rhetoric is embarassing to the real Americans of this country who believe in the freedoms of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
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[red states rule]

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Picture of the Week


http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/quetta-shia-1-10-13.jpg
Shia pose with victims of a targeted (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/01/15/jonathan-kay-time-to-stop-ignoring-the-campaign-of-slaughter-against-pakistans-shiites/) Sunni bombing attack that
snuffed out over 100 lives last week. What the "Religion of Peace"
lacks in actual peace it more than makes up for in dead bodies.








Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace
"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

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2013.01.16 (Amenas, Algeria) - Armed Islamists attack an oil field, killing two people and kidnapping several Westerners.


2013.01.16 (Kirkuk, Iraq) - Two-dozen shoppers are massacred by suicide truck bombers in a commercial district.


2013.01.16 (Kabul, Afghanistan) - Three civilians are murdered by Fedayeen suicide bombers.


2013.01.15 (Kano, Nigeria) - Four policemen are massacred by Boko Haram Islamists.


2013.01.15 (Fallujah, Iraq) - A Fedayeen suicide bomber takes out seven Iraqis.


2013.01.15 (Shalobar, Pakistan) - Attacks by Lashkar-e-Islam on local security posts leave six innocents dead.

</tbody>


</tbody>

[Drummond]

Well, Bingster. You probably didn't want to give ground to me, but you have, all the same ...

You started off with an argument meant to push the idea of parity between the religions ... which, had it been true, must surely mean that there'd be behavioural parity between its adherents, but ... we both know that this isn't true.

Here's your quote once more ..


'Islam is not inherently anymore good nor evil than Christianity.'

Now, I find myself replying to ...


The point is that you are not referring to ALL Islamists. You are talking about the Taliban or Al Qaeda. There is a difference. Your remarks are offensive to peace-loving Islamists everywhere that make up, like I said, almost as large a population as Christians.

KKK is Christian. The Crusades were Christian led. There are very bad factions of the Christian religion. No, I don't think there is any Christian faction currently as bad as Al Qaeda, but blaming all of Islam is quite incindiary and ignorant.

So you've already moved to my own position. Not to any great degree, maybe, but movement is nonetheless there. Which is only understandable, Bingster, because everyone knows that you can't make comparisons between Islamic behaviour and Christian behaviour, and conclude that Christians have the same predisposition to savagery in today's world.

You have yet to explain this, though.

In the above quote, you cited the KKK as so-called 'Christian' behaviour. Well, IS IT ? Even taking the supposition on board that it is ... try comparing them to Hamas, say, or Al Qaeda. How many jet-propelled terrorist attacks on skyscrapers has the KKK ever been responsible for ? How many missiles have they fired against a Nation State that they have an ultimate ambition to destroy ?

Perhaps, like Al Qaeda, they can claim to be a worldwide terrorist group ???

Your citing of the Crusades as an alternative choice is laughable, as the Crusades have nothing to do with today's world !!! Can you really not come up with better examples than this ???

Consider the plethora of Islamic terrorist groups which exist, TODAY, by comparison. I don't need to list them, as all of us know of their existence.

Take a look at Redstate's post, preceding this one. What comparable posting can you offer of Christian terrorism ?? Redstate's posting is but one example of many more such lists, posted previously by Tyr, showing evidence of Islam's persisting, perpetual, barbarities, for which there is no equivalent from Christians.

Can I take it, therefore, that the fiction of Islam as a so-called 'religion of peace' is thoroughly discredited as the ROT it is ?

Bingster, I do not, repeat, NOT, claim that all Islamists are terrorists, nor that there is no such thing as a peace loving Islamist. It would make not the slightest bit of sense to claim any such thing. That said .. there is a FAR greater likelihood of savagery, terrorism, and the like, to be observed from Islam's adherents than other religions. This truth ABSOLUTELY defies, as it MUST, any claim that Islam is 'a religion of peace'.

Perhaps you'd care to counter that assertion ? Good luck in the attempt ! For myself, I shall offer you this following material to back up my understanding of the TRUTH of Islam, what it leads to, what so many Muslims TRULY WANT ... and ... I'm sorry, but there is a great deal to post !!! ....

Here it comes ....

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/01/survey-61-percent-of-british-muslims-want-sharia-courts.html


The special poll based on a survey of 500 British Muslims found that a clear majority want Islamic law introduced into this country in civil cases relating to their own community. Some 61 per cent wanted Islamic courts - operating on sharia principles – "so long as the penalties did not contravene British law". A major part of civil cases in this country deal with family disputes such as divorce, custody and inheritance.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2020382/You-entering-Sharia-law-Britain-As-Islamic-extremists-declare-Sharia-law-zone-London-suburb-worrying-social-moral-implications.html


As a throng of Muslim families crowd around him, Abu Izzadeen speaks in a quiet voice of his plans for the future of Britain. The tall, bearded 36-year-old — who was recently freed from prison after serving a term for funding terrorism — is telling, in chilling detail, how he wants to impose Islam’s strict Sharia law on this country.

At a shopping mall in Waltham Forest, North London, Muslim passers-by listen intently. Some shout greetings in Arabic from across the street.

Fathers push forward their young sons (wearing skull caps for prayers at the local mosque) so they can get a good view of the man who is plainly viewed by many as a hero.

Today, Izzadeen, the self-styled ‘Director for Waltham Forest Muslims’, will march with his supporters — many of them new young recruits to Islam — as part of their campaign to make the suburban borough into Britain’s first Sharia-law zone.

Under his brutal set of rules, there would be a ban on alcohol, gambling, drugs, music, smoking and homosexuality, as well as on men and women mixing in public.

This is all part of Izzadeen’s concerted campaign to defeat ‘Western decadence’ and turn large parts of Britain — where, his supporters say, ‘people live like animals in a jungle’ — into an Islamic Emirate.

Already, 20,000 yellow leaflets have been printed by Islamic activists, saying ‘You are entering a Sharia controlled zone. Islamic rules enforced.’ The leaflets have been stuck onto lamp-posts, put up in shop windows and on pillar boxes. As fast as the police and council officials tear them down, more go up.

Izzadeen says: ‘This is the first step towards turning Britain into an Islamic state. There are nearly three million Muslims in this country. Islam is a sleeping giant that is waking. We have moved on from the debate about the provision of halal meat to more political issues.

‘Twenty-five areas around Britain have large Muslim populations, including Bradford, Dewsbury, Leicester and Luton. We want to turn them all into Islamic Emirates, where the excesses of Western civilisation are not tolerated.’
Getting the TRUE picture yet ? Islam is invasive, and wants to ensure that ITS religion, with all that this means, enacts a CONQUEST over other systems ...

.. Moving on ..

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm


Have you heard that Islam is a peaceful religion because most Muslims live peacefully and that only a "tiny minority of extremists" practice violence? That's like saying that White supremacy must be perfectly fine since only a tiny minority of racists ever hurt anyone. Neither does it explain why religious violence is largely endemic to Islam, despite the tremendous persecution of religious minorities in Muslim countries.

In truth, even a tiny minority of "1%" of Muslims worldwide translates to 15 million believers - which is hardly an insignificant number. However, the "minority" of Muslims who approve of terrorists, their goals, or their means of achieving them is much greater than this. In fact, it isn't even a true minority in some cases, depending on how goals and targets are defined.

The following polls convey what Muslims say are their attitudes toward terrorism, al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, the 9/11 attacks, violence in defense of Islam, Sharia, honor killings, and matters concerning assimilation in Western society. The results are all the more astonishing because most of the polls were conducted by organizations with an obvious interest in "discovering" agreeable statistics that downplay any cause for concern ...
There is much to read from that site ! To save space, I'll just deal with the Sharia Law portion ...

[quote]83% of Pakistanis support stoning adulterers
78% of Pakistanis support killing apostates
http://www.realcourage.org/2009/08/pakistan-78-percent-call-for-apostate-deaths/
Center for Social Cohesion: 40% of British Muslim students want Sharia
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdf
ICM Poll: 40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html
GfK NOP: 28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf
NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/
World Public Opinion: 81% of Egyptians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Pakistanis want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
49% (plurality) of Indonesians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Moroccans want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf
World Public Opinion: 64% of Egyptians said it was “very important for the government” to “apply traditional punishments for crimes such as stoning adulterers.”
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf
Pew Research (2010): 77% of Egyptian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
58% of Jordanian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
36% of Indonesian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
82% of Pakistanis favor floggings and amputation
65% of Nigerian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/
Pew Research (2010): 82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers
56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

So, Bingster. Tell me more about Islam as a so-called 'religion of peace'. Tell me that such attitudes, such as I've illustrated here, have ANY equivalent in Christian behaviour, or belief, TODAY.

And tell me, illustrating your reasoning, why it's our duty to sit back and think 'happy, happy' thoughts in the face of what Islamists clearly wish for the world.

[Abbey Marie]

Bingster, I do not, repeat, NOT, claim that all Islamists are terrorists, nor that there is no such thing as a peace loving Islamist. It would make not the slightest bit of sense to claim any such thing. That said .. there is a FAR greater likelihood of savagery, terrorism, and the like, to be observed from Islam's adherents than other religions. This truth ABSOLUTELY defies, as it MUST, any claim that Islam is 'a religion of peace'.


:clap:

[aboutime]

Bingster. What I learned, and probably many others have learned from your long, tiresome tirade about yourself is.

You are almost the spitting-image of another member here who calls himself "jafar".

And, like him. You appear to me, to be nothing more than another shill, like jafar whom I prefer to identify as a False Prophet.

You can insist, brag, call names, make accusations, create labels, and judge me as much as you like.

Your insignificance here is only equal to the insignificance of jafar. So. I see both of you as somewhat Brainwashed puppets who must always repeat, incite, and attempt to destroy everyone else who disagree's with you in any way.

In other words. Nothing you say here means BEANS to me, or probably anyone else.

I have spent most of my long life trying to survive with being around pure BS'er's, and in doing so. Have learned how those who try to BS everyone else. Never succeed in proving anything except...HOW MUCH BS they need, and depend upon to exist.

So. You might as well take your BS, and Phoniness elsewhere.

[red states rule]

Bingster. What I learned, and probably many others have learned from your long, tiresome tirade about yourself is.

You are almost the spitting-image of another member here who calls himself "jafar".

And, like him. You appear to me, to be nothing more than another shill, like jafar whom I prefer to identify as a False Prophet.

You can insist, brag, call names, make accusations, create labels, and judge me as much as you like.

Your insignificance here is only equal to the insignificance of jafar. So. I see both of you as somewhat Brainwashed puppets who must always repeat, incite, and attempt to destroy everyone else who disagree's with you in any way.

In other words. Nothing you say here means BEANS to me, or probably anyone else.

I have spent most of my long life trying to survive with being around pure BS'er's, and in doing so. Have learned how those who try to BS everyone else. Never succeed in proving anything except...HOW MUCH BS they need, and depend upon to exist.

So. You might as well take your BS, and Phoniness elsewhere.

For Bingster - here is a Muslim cat http://www.bibleprobe.com/MuslimCat.jpg

[aboutime]

For Bingster - here is a Muslim cat http://www.bibleprobe.com/MuslimCat.jpg

4329

[red states rule]

http://www.bibleprobe.com/priceless.jpg

[aboutime]

Or....4331...with....4332

[red states rule]

http://www.bibleprobe.com/jihad_this.jpg

[aboutime]

A Sign of the times....4335 jafar and friends refuse to obey.

[Drummond]

:clap:

Thanks, Abbey and Jim, for your own 'thanks'.

I think it worthwhile to add some clarification as to how I think of this issue.

I'm sticking by what I've posted. It's reasonable to take it as clear fact that there are peaceful Muslims, who'd much rather go about their daily affairs, not thinking of lobbing bombs around, or getting involved in Jihads, all of that. You'll get ordinary, reasonable people in every walk of life, no matter what their faith.

Islam is different, though, because it demands more of its adherents. The fear of mortal consequences just for walking away from Islam, for example.

Islam, I believe, is far and away the most aggressive, savage religion on the planet. It WILL, it DOES, breed terrorism because of its very nature.

However ... you'll always get people who are far less devout than others, no matter what faith that's being discussed. That's just life.

I hope Bingster understands this, and can accommodate truth over Leftie propaganda. Because, Bingster, there's PLENTY of truth out there !!!

[red states rule]

Did you hear about the Broadway play, 'The Palestinians'? It bombed!

[aboutime]

Did you hear about the Broadway play, 'The Palestinians'? It bombed!


I heard about that. And coincidentally. Right next door, in another Broadway theater was
"Obama's BrokeBack Mountain of Debt" "The Trillion Dollar Hooker!"

Still bombing every American's bank account as well.

[red states rule]

In Israeli nurseries the sign says quiet please. In Palestinian maternity wards the sign says? "Live ammunition."

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Well, Bingster. You probably didn't want to give ground to me, but you have, all the same ...

You started off with an argument meant to push the idea of parity between the religions ... which, had it been true, must surely mean that there'd be behavioural parity between its adherents, but ... we both know that this isn't true.

Here's your quote once more ..



Now, I find myself replying to ...



So you've already moved to my own position. Not to any great degree, maybe, but movement is nonetheless there. Which is only understandable, Bingster, because everyone knows that you can't make comparisons between Islamic behaviour and Christian behaviour, and conclude that Christians have the same predisposition to savagery in today's world.

You have yet to explain this, though.

In the above quote, you cited the KKK as so-called 'Christian' behaviour. Well, IS IT ? Even taking the supposition on board that it is ... try comparing them to Hamas, say, or Al Qaeda. How many jet-propelled terrorist attacks on skyscrapers has the KKK ever been responsible for ? How many missiles have they fired against a Nation State that they have an ultimate ambition to destroy ?

Perhaps, like Al Qaeda, they can claim to be a worldwide terrorist group ???

Your citing of the Crusades as an alternative choice is laughable, as the Crusades have nothing to do with today's world !!! Can you really not come up with better examples than this ???

Consider the plethora of Islamic terrorist groups which exist, TODAY, by comparison. I don't need to list them, as all of us know of their existence.

Take a look at Redstate's post, preceding this one. What comparable posting can you offer of Christian terrorism ?? Redstate's posting is but one example of many more such lists, posted previously by Tyr, showing evidence of Islam's persisting, perpetual, barbarities, for which there is no equivalent from Christians.

Can I take it, therefore, that the fiction of Islam as a so-called 'religion of peace' is thoroughly discredited as the ROT it is ?

Bingster, I do not, repeat, NOT, claim that all Islamists are terrorists, nor that there is no such thing as a peace loving Islamist. It would make not the slightest bit of sense to claim any such thing. That said .. there is a FAR greater likelihood of savagery, terrorism, and the like, to be observed from Islam's adherents than other religions. This truth ABSOLUTELY defies, as it MUST, any claim that Islam is 'a religion of peace'.

Perhaps you'd care to counter that assertion ? Good luck in the attempt ! For myself, I shall offer you this following material to back up my understanding of the TRUTH of Islam, what it leads to, what so many Muslims TRULY WANT ... and ... I'm sorry, but there is a great deal to post !!! ....

Here it comes ....

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/01/survey-61-percent-of-british-muslims-want-sharia-courts.html


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2020382/You-entering-Sharia-law-Britain-As-Islamic-extremists-declare-Sharia-law-zone-London-suburb-worrying-social-moral-implications.html


Getting the TRUE picture yet ? Islam is invasive, and wants to ensure that ITS religion, with all that this means, enacts a CONQUEST over other systems ...

.. Moving on ..

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm


There is much to read from that site ! To save space, I'll just deal with the Sharia Law portion ...

[quote]83% of Pakistanis support stoning adulterers

78% of Pakistanis support killing apostates
http://www.realcourage.org/2009/08/pakistan-78-percent-call-for-apostate-deaths/
Center for Social Cohesion: 40% of British Muslim students want Sharia
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdf
ICM Poll: 40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html
GfK NOP: 28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf
NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/
World Public Opinion: 81% of Egyptians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Pakistanis want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
49% (plurality) of Indonesians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Moroccans want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf
World Public Opinion: 64% of Egyptians said it was “very important for the government” to “apply traditional punishments for crimes such as stoning adulterers.”
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf
Pew Research (2010): 77% of Egyptian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
58% of Jordanian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
36% of Indonesian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
82% of Pakistanis favor floggings and amputation
65% of Nigerian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/
Pew Research (2010): 82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers
56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

So, Bingster. Tell me more about Islam as a so-called 'religion of peace'. Tell me that such attitudes, such as I've illustrated here, have ANY equivalent in Christian behaviour, or belief, TODAY.

And tell me, illustrating your reasoning, why it's our duty to sit back and think 'happy, happy' thoughts in the face of what Islamists clearly wish for the world.

Simply put, a brilliant post.. Were it not so I would not claim it to be..-:beer:--Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Let me break it down for you.

I grew up in awe of Muhammad Ali who was raised as Cassius Clay in a land that considered this big monkey of a man as other than a human being. He was a circus act who could knock other black people down but who cares? He's just a negro, an uppity negro who's mouth is bigger than his brain. When the Vietnam draft came up he said "I don't have any quarrel with these people. No Vietnamese ever called me 'nigger'." He adopted the nation of Islam, because his own nation was unworthy of him.

Later on, I married a former citizen of Iran. I enlisted in the army in the 80's so I told folks that my wife was Persian, because I knew my mates didn't realize my wife was from Iran (remember Iran/Contra?). She is a Shia Muslim-a member of Islam-the minority of the Islam nation. 90% of Islam is Sunni, 10% including most of Iran is Shiite. I was married to her for 2 years.

Even after my marriage to Farimah, I was still confused about the nation of Islam, I read twice "Far East for Dummies" twice and took notes both times.

You people obviously don't like liberals. I get that. You watch Fox News that is owned 15% by the same guy that Rudolf Guliani (sp?) turned down what he called a bribe of millions of dollars of donations from a guy named <tt>Prince Alwaleed bin Talal
bin Abdul Aziz Alsaud. This guy is the largest single owner of Fox News, but he must have submitted some kind of an agreement, because Glen Beck, while taking the Sheik's money, ran countless shows against the guy.

The nation of Islam is not about distroying America. Only the most severe reading of the Koran, and ignorant reading of the Koran, like the most ignorant reading of the Bible, dictates destroying the religious foes of the religion. A large percentage of this religion wants to live in peace.

I've been a Walgreens employer for the last 23 years in which at least 10% of my pharmacy has always been Muslim. I guess they have better schools over there, because a large percentage of pharmacists in this country are Muslim. Some of the ladies wear the burka, some don't, but all of them have been peace loving people.

I'm just an immoral, whiney, slutty liberal, but I think I know more about Islam than you Fox News watching, Rush Llmbaugh-loving Ditto-heads. If I don't know something, I look it up and don't believe, automatically, the rantings of a Glenn Beck, or a group of Fox Friends who say you can get your pap smears at Walgreens (in their rail against Family Planning). I can assure you that there are no ankle clamps on our photo kiosk for pap smears. Tell it to Fox News-we received a bunch of corporate cautionery e-mails on that bull-crap claim.

Either cut the eye-holes a little larger, or just take off the white sheets you cover yourself with because the mission of this thread is completely racist in tone and intent.
</tt>

OK, do tell me what RACE am I talking about when I condemn Islamist terrorists that murder around the globe!??
1. Whats racist about my stating Islam's goals?
2. Whats racist about my posting the info on the murders that they are doing?
2. Whats racist about my demand that Sharia law never be allowed here in America?
I'm sure that it matters not to you one whit but I am disappointed in your false accusations made about my thread, my intent and my demand for Islam to be truly studied with an open mind while examining what they are doing worldwide etc.. I think possibly I've studied Islam a bit better than you have and my conclusions are correct.
Additionally we have Drummond's eloquent post that revealed a lot more .
Do have your say here. I have no objection to you presenting your case , I simply disagree with it..--Tyr

[aboutime]

OK, do tell me what RACE am I talking about when I condemn Islamist terrorists that murder around the globe!??
1. Whats racist about my stating Islam's goals?
2. Whats racist about my posting the info on the murders that they are doing?
2. Whats racist about my demand that Sharia law never be allowed here in America?
I'm sure that it matters not to you one whit but I am disappointed in your false accusations made about my thread, my intent and my demand for Islam to be truly studied with an open mind while examining what they are doing worldwide etc.. I think possibly I've studied Islam a bit better than you have and my conclusions are correct.
Additionally we have Drummond's eloquent post that revealed a lot more .
Do have your say here. I have no objection to you presenting your case , I simply disagree with it..--Tyr


Tyr. Forget bingster. He/She is nothing but another jafar/obama wannabe who came here to cause trouble, throw mudballs, then dare others to challenge him/her in the competition for stupidity only a bingster/obama/jafar can applaud.

No need to waste time on this kind of bully. They can only survive as long as they incite others to argue with them.

[Drummond]

[QUOTE=Drummond;607435]Well, Bingster. You probably didn't want to give ground to me, but you have, all the same ...

You started off with an argument meant to push the idea of parity between the religions ... which, had it been true, must surely mean that there'd be behavioural parity between its adherents, but ... we both know that this isn't true.

Here's your quote once more ..



Now, I find myself replying to ...



So you've already moved to my own position. Not to any great degree, maybe, but movement is nonetheless there. Which is only understandable, Bingster, because everyone knows that you can't make comparisons between Islamic behaviour and Christian behaviour, and conclude that Christians have the same predisposition to savagery in today's world.

You have yet to explain this, though.

In the above quote, you cited the KKK as so-called 'Christian' behaviour. Well, IS IT ? Even taking the supposition on board that it is ... try comparing them to Hamas, say, or Al Qaeda. How many jet-propelled terrorist attacks on skyscrapers has the KKK ever been responsible for ? How many missiles have they fired against a Nation State that they have an ultimate ambition to destroy ?

Perhaps, like Al Qaeda, they can claim to be a worldwide terrorist group ???

Your citing of the Crusades as an alternative choice is laughable, as the Crusades have nothing to do with today's world !!! Can you really not come up with better examples than this ???

Consider the plethora of Islamic terrorist groups which exist, TODAY, by comparison. I don't need to list them, as all of us know of their existence.

Take a look at Redstate's post, preceding this one. What comparable posting can you offer of Christian terrorism ?? Redstate's posting is but one example of many more such lists, posted previously by Tyr, showing evidence of Islam's persisting, perpetual, barbarities, for which there is no equivalent from Christians.

Can I take it, therefore, that the fiction of Islam as a so-called 'religion of peace' is thoroughly discredited as the ROT it is ?

Bingster, I do not, repeat, NOT, claim that all Islamists are terrorists, nor that there is no such thing as a peace loving Islamist. It would make not the slightest bit of sense to claim any such thing. That said .. there is a FAR greater likelihood of savagery, terrorism, and the like, to be observed from Islam's adherents than other religions. This truth ABSOLUTELY defies, as it MUST, any claim that Islam is 'a religion of peace'.

Perhaps you'd care to counter that assertion ? Good luck in the attempt ! For myself, I shall offer you this following material to back up my understanding of the TRUTH of Islam, what it leads to, what so many Muslims TRULY WANT ... and ... I'm sorry, but there is a great deal to post !!! ....

Here it comes ....

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/01/survey-61-percent-of-british-muslims-want-sharia-courts.html


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2020382/You-entering-Sharia-law-Britain-As-Islamic-extremists-declare-Sharia-law-zone-London-suburb-worrying-social-moral-implications.html


Getting the TRUE picture yet ? Islam is invasive, and wants to ensure that ITS religion, with all that this means, enacts a CONQUEST over other systems ...

.. Moving on ..

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm


There is much to read from that site ! To save space, I'll just deal with the Sharia Law portion ...



Simply put, a brilliant post.. Were it not so I would not claim it to be..-:beer:--Tyr

Very appreciated ! Thanks, Tyr .. :beer:

[red states rule]

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[Drummond]

OK, do tell me what RACE am I talking about when I condemn Islamist terrorists that murder around the globe!??
1. Whats racist about my stating Islam's goals?
2. Whats racist about my posting the info on the murders that they are doing?
2. Whats racist about my demand that Sharia law never be allowed here in America?
I'm sure that it matters not to you one whit but I am disappointed in your false accusations made about my thread, my intent and my demand for Islam to be truly studied with an open mind while examining what they are doing worldwide etc.. I think possibly I've studied Islam a bit better than you have and my conclusions are correct.
Additionally we have Drummond's eloquent post that revealed a lot more .
Do have your say here. I have no objection to you presenting your case , I simply disagree with it..--Tyr

:clap::clap:Excellent post, Tyr.

I've already posted on this forum, and very recently (in reply to a post to Jafar) that my own opposition to Muslim terrorism has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with the actions terrorists take, AND what fuels it, which is a creed that spans races and countries. I cited the example of Richard Reid, a British caucasian, BUT ALSO A MUSLIM TRERRORIST, who boarded a plane with a bomb concealed in his shoe, intending to detonate it in mid-flight. Failed attempt or not, the terrorism intended, the deaths of many innocent victims plotted, is every bit as foul as any other terrorist outrage planned or committed by Muslims of other ethnicities.

Even Jafar replied and acknowledged the point I'd made, with his 'fair enough' comment in reply.

RACE IS ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT.

[red states rule]

RACE IS ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT.

Unless you are a liberal who is losing a debate, then you must pull the race card from the bottom of the deck in a lame attempt to try and save face and go off topic

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

:clap::clap:Excellent post, Tyr.

I've already posted on this forum, and very recently (in reply to a post to Jafar) that my own opposition to Muslim terrorism has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with the actions terrorists take, AND what fuels it, which is a creed that spans races and countries. I cited the example of Richard Reid, a British caucasian, BUT ALSO A MUSLIM TRERRORIST, who boarded a plane with a bomb concealed in his shoe, intending to detonate it in mid-flight. Failed attempt or not, the terrorism intended, the deaths of many innocent victims plotted, is every bit as foul as any other terrorist outrage planned or committed by Muslims of other ethnicities.

Even Jafar replied and acknowledged the point I'd made, with his 'fair enough' comment in reply.

RACE IS ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT.

I was more disappointed that this new member went into the accusation mode so quickly. Likely has the ability to do far better than simple character assassination but went there instead. This is a very long thread with much info and many replies. Enough to reveal its not about race or bigotry but is about justice, freedom, Rule of Law and the desire for the preservation of human life. -Tyr

[Drummond]

I was more disappointed that this new member went into the accusation mode so quickly. Likely has the ability to do far better than simple character assassination but went there instead. This is a very long thread with much info and many replies. Enough to reveal its not about race or bigotry but is about justice, freedom, Rule of Law and the desire for the preservation of human life. -Tyr

Yes, absolutely !

The last link included in my post is well worth re-posting, because the page it leads to has so much to inform us of. I only reproduced one segment of it before.

So, let's look at some more ..

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm

Try this ... the 'terrorism' segment ... Bingster, are you taking notes .. ?


ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombershttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html
NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a-year-after-iraq-war
YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/06/32-of-palestinians-support-infanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,00.html
World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf
Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/
Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/
Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/
Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist
Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60
Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/
Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60
ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities.
27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.scotsman.com/?id=1956912005
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist.html
Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.fosis.org.uk/sac/FullReport.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist
ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Poll%20Nov%2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist
Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist
See also: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terrorism) (http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terrorism)/) for further statistics on Islamic terror.

Quite a number of the percentage figures given fall below 50 percent. Nonetheless, ANY attempt to equate this data with a claim that the religion which drives Muslims must be 'a religion of peace' is simply laughable !! If it weren't, you'd be hard-pressed to find any substantial numbers of Muslims agreeing with ANY of this ... you'd CERTAINLY not see percentage figures EVEN reaching double digits !!!

Bingster would no doubt wish to try and rubbish this data ... such an effort is immediately defied by the fact that SO MANY SOURCES HAVE PROVIDED IT.

[ConHog]

Of what good is peace if it is bought at the cost of sacrificing all that we hold dear? There is a great failure in our country today and that is the failure to understand total submission. What total submission is and how it could lead to our demise. The greatest example of total submission today is Islam. Yes, Islam is the essence of total submission and it demands that not only from its followers but also from all that it confronts.
Surely we that place such great value on justice and freedom can see that there can be absolutely no peace with Islam, with those so dedicated to destroying freedom and justice as we know it. Destroying it as our founders intended and created a governing magnificent document to guide.
Should we fail to unite and arrive at that conclusion, create a proper plan of action and pursue it with determination we shall meet our destruction. For abandoning our integrity, honor and justice we shall pay a heavy price. One that few will dare admit because such tragedy is always the fate of others and we console ourselves with that old line of comforting thinking. Should we fail to act such tragedy may possibly be a just fate for a peoples that have betrayed the sacrifice of millions that gave us the most precious of blessings: Independence, freedom, Rule of law and Constitution.! Such a combination that was not only unique in the world but has since failed to be duplicated !
Should we abandone common sense, Rule of Law to follow the easier path of appeasement our choice made to avoid confronting our fears and our enemy shall almost certainly bring destruction for having renounced the gift that has been dearly bought with the blood, tears and treasure of countless Americans that have lived and died fighting the true fight. The good fight of justice over injustice , of good over evil and the happiness of having created and passed on a blessing beyond compare to future generations..
Rather than yield to complacency, indifference and shallow lusts of the times it may be wise to learn again how to fall to bended knee and asked for strength of mind , pureness of heart and justice defended by righteous blade and keen intellect! If you have no “blade” sell your costly toys to buy the best money can buy. For what good be such if in maintaining one looses their head? Ask not mercy and gifts from enemies with no honor but instead stand firm defend your life, your family and your country! For life often demands great sacrifice, think not and life will take that and more. The more being that which few can or will dare imagine but life cares not about our fears and failures. It is we that should care more about life!
Care enough to stand against those that would murder our parents, enslave our children and exstinguish freedom and justice forever. Islam, shall not subjugate this great nation. Shall not if we face it without fear and with determination birthed from defending that which is good and right about our nation. The nation created to be the guiding light to the world. A Christian nation blessed by God and occupied by those brave enough to spill blood , blood of others as well as their own! -Tyr

No link , my composition...

What the fuck? Seriously dude, paragraphs are your friend.

PS we're not a Christian nation, and we never were. Certainly we were founded and based on certain Christian principles, but we are a secular nation. Which only proves that even those disgusting non believers can have morals.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

What the fuck? Seriously dude, paragraphs are your friend.

PS we're not a Christian nation, and we never were. Certainly we were founded and based on certain Christian principles, but we are a secular nation. Which only proves that even those disgusting non believers can have morals.

Never were a Christian nation... :laugh2:
So wrong that its funny dude. We were a Christian nation founded upon Christian beliefs and English common law.
Our government was founded to insure no -one religion- attained total dominance over the others but that did not void out the influences of the Christian faith in society and yes in government too.
The subject of this thread is Sharia law, Islam and its threat to our nation, culture and survival.
Sure the non believers have morals. Morals are not the sole property of Christians. However , Sharia law has punishments based upon the Koran and its accompany religious additions. Sharia law seeks to subvert everything to the authority of the Koran.

There is a very good Christian thread already here . I suggest that is the proper place for this kind of discussion.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?5055-America-was-founded-as-a-Christian-Nation

[logroller]

Never were a Christian nation... :laugh2:
So wrong that its funny dude. We were a Christian nation founded upon Christian beliefs and English common law.
Our government was founded to insure no -one religion- attained total dominance over the others but that did not void out the influences of the Christian faith in society and yes in government too.
The subject of this thread is Sharia law, Islam and its threat to our nation, culture and survival.
Sure the non believers have morals. Morals are not the sole property of Christians. However , Sharia law has punishments based upon the Koran and its accompany religious additions. Sharia law seeks to subvert everything to the authority of the Koran.

There is a very good Christian thread already here . I suggest that is the proper place for this kind of discussion.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?5055-America-was-founded-as-a-Christian-Nation
I suggest you not make mention of postulates in your original post then denounce attempts to challenge them. The OP, like most of your posts, is all over the place. Nothings off limits.

America was founded by those who had Christian beliefs is a true statement. America is a Christian Nation is not true, no more than America is a white nation would be true. Like a prayer that references God is different than one which references Jesus, the difference may be subtle, but remarkable.

[ConHog]

I suggest you not make mention of postulates in your original post then denounce attempts to challenge them. The OP, like most of your posts, is all over the place. Nothings off limits.

America was founded by those who had Christian beliefs is a true statement. America is a Christian Nation is not true, no more than America is a white nation would be true. Like a prayer that references God is different than one which references Jesus, the difference may be subtle, but remarkable.

Exactly right. Brilliant post yada yada yada

[red states rule]

Yes, absolutely !

The last link included in my post is well worth re-posting, because the page it leads to has so much to inform us of. I only reproduced one segment of it before.

So, let's look at some more ..

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm

Try this ... the 'terrorism' segment ... Bingster, are you taking notes .. ?



Quite a number of the percentage figures given fall below 50 percent. Nonetheless, ANY attempt to equate this data with a claim that the religion which drives Muslims must be 'a religion of peace' is simply laughable !! If it weren't, you'd be hard-pressed to find any substantial numbers of Muslims agreeing with ANY of this ... you'd CERTAINLY not see percentage figures EVEN reaching double digits !!!

Bingster would no doubt wish to try and rubbish this data ... such an effort is immediately defied by the fact that SO MANY SOURCES HAVE PROVIDED IT. [/FONT]
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[red states rule]

Never were a Christian nation... :laugh2:
So wrong that its funny dude. We were a Christian nation founded upon Christian beliefs and English common law.
Our government was founded to insure no -one religion- attained total dominance over the others but that did not void out the influences of the Christian faith in society and yes in government too.
The subject of this thread is Sharia law, Islam and its threat to our nation, culture and survival.
Sure the non believers have morals. Morals are not the sole property of Christians. However , Sharia law has punishments based upon the Koran and its accompany religious additions. Sharia law seeks to subvert everything to the authority of the Koran.

There is a very good Christian thread already here . I suggest that is the proper place for this kind of discussion.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?5055-America-was-founded-as-a-Christian-Nation

Well said!! :clap::clap:

[aboutime]

I wondered what happened to this thread.

It really is worth revisiting.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I wondered what happened to this thread.

It really is worth revisiting.

Well, the ignorant punks kinda went silent. One of them went away and the others knew they were fairly and marvelously beaten! By a far better man!!--;)-Tyr

[Little-Acorn]

There is a great failure in our country today and that is the failure to understand total submission. What total submission is and how it could lead to our demise. The greatest example of total submission today is Islam. Yes, Islam is the essence of total submission and it demands that not only from its followers but also from all that it confronts.

Interestingly, modern liberalism is the same way.

When was the last time you hear Barack Obama actually try to find a middle ground between his party's stand, and Republicans' stand? Not just ask Republicans to find a middle ground (he says that all the time), but he himself yield his own stand to reach a middle ground.

Correct: He never has.

My guess is, there are two reasons.

1.) There IS no middle ground between people who believe you own what you create, and people who believe you don't own it.

2.) He cannot logically support his stand (that you don't own what you create, and so others can take it if they feel it's for "the greater good"). And so when somebody opposes his stand, he can neither debate them, nor even tolerate their very existence. Total submission (of them to him) is the ONLY outcome he can imagine.

Islam may have similar reasons for its similar demand for total submission, or they may be different, I don't know.

But it's remarkable how many outward similarities there are between Islam, and modern liberalism in the U.S.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Interestingly, modern liberalism is the same way.

When was the last time you hear Barack Obama actually try to find a middle ground between his party's stand, and Republicans' stand? Not just ask Republicans to find a middle ground (he says that all the time), but he himself yield his own stand to reach a middle ground.

Correct: He never has.

My guess is, there are two reasons.

1.) There IS no middle ground between people who believe you own what you create, and people who believe you don't own it.

2.) He cannot logically support his stand (that you don't own what you create, and so others can take it if they feel it's for "the greater good"). And so when somebody opposes his stand, he can neither debate them, nor even tolerate their very existence. Total submission (of them to him) is the ONLY outcome he can imagine.

Islam may have similar reasons for its similar demand for total submission, or they may be different, I don't know.

But it's remarkable how many outward similarities there are between Islam, and modern liberalism in the U.S.

Tis why the leftists have allied with Islam. Is why obama the scum works secretly for Islam. Is why obama works against Israel. Is why we the citizens are to be disarmed! -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Little-Acornhttp://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=618530#post618530)
Interestingly, modern liberalism is the same way.

When was the last time you hear Barack Obama actually try to find a middle ground between his party's stand, and Republicans' stand? Not just ask Republicans to find a middle ground (he says that all the time), but he himself yield his own stand to reach a middle ground.

Correct: He never has.

My guess is, there are two reasons.

1.) There IS no middle ground between people who believe you own what you create, and people who believe you don't own it.

2.) He cannot logically support his stand (that you don't own what you create, and so others can take it if they feel it's for "the greater good"). And so when somebody opposes his stand, he can neither debate them, nor even tolerate their very existence. Total submission (of them to him) is the ONLY outcome he can imagine.

Islam may have similar reasons for its similar demand for total submission, or they may be different, I don't know.

But it's remarkable how many outward similarities there are between Islam, and modern liberalism in the U.S.



Tis why the leftists have allied with Islam. Is why obama the scum works secretly for Islam. Is why obama works against Israel. Is why we the citizens are to be disarmed! -Tyr


Recent events and Obama's crusade against gun owners just give more proof of my previous prediction about how he was going to go on a gun grabbing crusade if he got a second term. I was dead on right.

Damn nice to live to see the correctness of my predictions even the one about China I made in the early 70's.

Now my contentions made in this thread are being proven correct more everyday!
The muslims are actively expanding their power over in the ME and Iran getting nuked up while obama twiddles his thumbs and lets Americans be murdered overseas and lies about it to cover for his muslim brothers.
American muslim groups are buying politicians and demandind special status/treatment.
My early dedicated critics in this thread have gone silent as more and more reality/current world events proves my case. So nice to sit back and laugh at those guys now -Tyr

[red states rule]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-khX9Uw0eNgk/TeM7oScmuyI/AAAAAAAAAsI/oQQjEJmAenQ/s1600/249720_1928195118538_1051994745_2163173_7679914_n. jpg

[Drummond]

I see this thread is making a welcome return !!!! :clap:

[red states rule]

I see this thread is making a welcome return !!!! :clap:

Much to the dismay of those screaming about the "rights" of terrorists

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Much to the dismay of those screaming about the "rights" of terrorists

Coming soon to a location near us all.
That is fj at the comp methinks...........;)--Tyr



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[red states rule]

http://barenakedislam.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/apostate-vi.jpg?w=480&h=373

[aboutime]

My impression of jafar....before,4989 and after becoming a dummy.

[red states rule]

My impression of jafar....before,4989 and after becoming a dummy.

Which one is Jafar?


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[actsnoblemartin]

my take: we are stuck in a precarious position. Islam itself has some worrying passages that unlike other religions are not being taken literally by islamic terrorists. I dont have all the answers here, but it probably would be a good idea to take these as good for thought, i.e. discussion

#1 have a secure border, we need to know that terrorists cant walk across at any time

#2 work with american muslims to help identify and stop radicalized muslims from striking

#3 monitor and keep an eye on terrorist sympathizers, as they tend to become terrorists.

#4 stop being so p.c. about islamic terrorism, we get it its not all muslims are terrorists, but its enough of them thats its a problem including world terrorism is committed is committed by muslim men aged 17-35

#5 support christians who are being persecuted around the world, especially by muslim nations who are intolerant of anyone who isnt muslims

[red states rule]

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[actsnoblemartin]

My stand is, we cant sacrifice our freedoms because a few assholes get their feelings hurt.

Whether they be uptight p.c. assholes, or uptight islamic, western hating assholes

[red states rule]

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[red state]

Tyr Wrote: "Well, the ignorant punks kinda went silent. One of them went away and the others knew they were fairly and marvelously beaten! By a far better man!!"--;)-Tyr




Little Acorn Wrote: "Interestingly, modern liberalism is the same way."







About Time Wrote: "My impression of jafar....before {SILENCE~I KILL U} and after becoming a dummy."



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Tyr, don't get too disappointed in their silence.....some of the more ignorant ones are probably still trying to read the original post so that they can understand it....the REALLY ignorant ones couldn't read it at all because they prefer to read and comment within the level of a first grader. Little Acorn, hit the nail right on the head....liberals are very similar to muSLUMs in that they want you to accept them but THEY will never accept you/us/AMERICA. Instead, they rather force their beliefs on America with little to no regard for what IS AMERICAN. About Time said it best (and simply put so that those who have a short attention span or reading level can follow along; the left and pretenders would rather insult, discredit or even kill true conservative rather than listen, get along or respect others. And God forbid if they should have to read more than a sentence of two. The left are not only muSLUM-like but are extremely CHILD-like with straw-man rants instead of actually contributing to a thread. THEY rather try to kill it. About Time is spot on with the opening statement of this page.......THIS TREAD TRULY IS WORTH REVISITING. Now that the rift-raft (as Tyr put it) has been driven away with logic that THEY are incapable of comprehending, we (adults) can not have an adult conversation.


~RED STATE

[aboutime]

Which one is Jafar?


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red states rule. In answer to your question. Nobody knows. They all go by the same name. Like minded, full of hatred.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Tyr Wrote: "Well, the ignorant punks kinda went silent. One of them went away and the others knew they were fairly and marvelously beaten! By a far better man!!"--;)-Tyr




Little Acorn Wrote: "Interestingly, modern liberalism is the same way."







About Time Wrote: "My impression of jafar....before {SILENCE~I KILL U} and after becoming a dummy."


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Tyr, don't get too disappointed in their silence.....some of the more ignorant ones are probably still trying to read the original post so that they can understand it....the REALLY ignorant ones couldn't read it at all because they prefer to read and comment within the level of a first grader. Little Acorn, hit the nail right on the head....liberals are very similar to muSLUMs in that they want you to accept them but THEY will never accept you/us/AMERICA. Instead, they rather force their beliefs on America with little to no regard for what IS AMERICAN. About Time said it best (and simply put so that those who have a short attention span or reading level can follow along; the left and pretenders would rather insult, discredit or even kill true conservative rather than listen, get along or respect others. And God forbid if they should have to read more than a sentence of two. The left are not only muSLUM-like but are extremely CHILD-like with straw-man rants instead of actually contributing to a thread. THEY rather try to kill it. About Time is spot on with the opening statement of this page.......THIS TREAD TRULY IS WORTH REVISITING. Now that the rift-raft (as Tyr put it) has been driven away with logic that THEY are incapable of comprehending, we (adults) can not have an adult conversation.


~RED STATE

I agree my friend. Good to see you come back to post. Iran will get their nukes because obama will do nothing to stop it. China will start taking terrotory, obama will twiddle his thumbs. Muslims here will get more amd more power because obama wants that as well. -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

My stand is, we cant sacrifice our freedoms because a few assholes get their feelings hurt.

Whether they be uptight p.c. assholes, or uptight islamic, western hating assholes

Bravo..:beer:
Short, concise and dead on accurate..-Tyr

[red states rule]

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[red state]

I agree my friend. Good to see you come back to post. Iran will get their nukes because obama will do nothing to stop it. China will start taking terrotory, obama will twiddle his thumbs. Muslims here will get more amd more power because obama wants that as well. -Tyr

Yes and our enemies will get their way (as they said they would). THEY will defeat the good ole USofA without so much as firing a single shot (IF) we continue to allow it. THEY were also correct and called it right to the very when it was foretold that we shall fold from WITHIN.

OLD POST....STILL a GREAT thread!!!!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Yes and our enemies will get their way (as they said they would). THEY will defeat the good ole USofA without so much as firing a single shot (IF) we continue to allow it. THEY were also correct and called it right to the very when it was foretold that we shall fold from WITHIN.

OLD POST....STILL a GREAT thread!!!! Thanks amigo. We see more and more of the weakening of this nation every month that the bastard in charge stays there. What we need is a ten million man march to DC demanding that the GD traitor step down! MARK MY WORDS BEFORE HIS TERM ENDS ALL INTELLIGENT AMERICANS WILL DEEPLY REGRET EVER ALLOWING THAT GD SCUM TO BE ANYTHING HIGHER THAN A SMALL TOWN DOG CATCHER. There is not another human on earth that I hate more than that ffing traitor..-Tyr

[aboutime]

Thanks amigo. We see more and more of the weakening of this nation every month that the bastard in charge stays there. What we need is a ten million man march to DC demanding that the GD traitor step down! MARK MY WORDS BEFORE HIS TERM ENDS ALL INTELLIGENT AMERICANS WILL DEEPLY REGRET EVER ALLOWING THAT GD SCUM TO BE ANYTHING HIGHER THAN A SMALL TOWN DOG CATCHER. There is not another human on earth that I hate more than that ffing traitor..-Tyr


Tyr. I know my parents both taught me to NEVER Hate. But at this point. I find myself wondering how my parents would have felt, if they lived to see the IDIOT we now have in charge???

I am determined to never lower myself to OBAMA'S level of Hatred. But this is just too important.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Tyr. I know my parents both taught me to NEVER Hate. But at this point. I find myself wondering how my parents would have felt, if they lived to see the IDIOT we now have in charge???

I am determined to never lower myself to OBAMA'S level of Hatred. But this is just too important. My parents taught me to hate evil. The only thing they stated hating was the right thing to do on. Obama is evil, not a biased opinion it is a damn fact. The man votes for murdering babies born alive after an abortion was botched. The ffing scum vigorously supports abortion and murder of babies. Ask yourself why? Answer, as a muslim we are the enemy, less than human and should be aborted. Islam has always maintained that high birth rate is a weapon,= more soldiers for Allah. So naturally they encourage us to abort ours. All these people on here talking about knowing muslims and how nice they are are really themselves being quite gullible and foolish. Every true muslim is taught that all non-muslims are less than animals. So all that nicey nicey to their face when speaking with them is pure baloney. They really are
just playing the game with we westerners. When they get control all those fooled people will be kicked around like a dog and made to grovel like scum. People I respect have been fooled but never me. Once I know a truth it never leaves me!Islam is evil and is our avowed enemy. Islam seeks our total destruction. -Tyr

[avatar4321]

Perhaps it's already been covered, but how do you propose to destroy Islam?

[aboutime]

Perhaps it's already been covered, but how do you propose to destroy Islam?


No need for anyone to attempt destroying Islam. Seems they will always be fighting, and eventually destroy EACH OTHER first.

[avatar4321]

No need for anyone to attempt destroying Islam. Seems they will always be fighting, and eventually destroy EACH OTHER first.

1400 years is a long time to be waiting.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Perhaps it's already been covered, but how do you propose to destroy Islam? First step is to stop its agenda here in USA. After that a campaign to actively oppose it worldwide by promoting truth. The TRUTH of its fallacies and its evil. The truth of its murdering all that oppose it. America must lead a charge to oppose it or else Islam will cause WW3. YET MAY DO SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO ! Giving up in despair declaring it an impossible task is not an option. Our founders faced a far greater obstacle and they won... won because God was on their side....-Tyr

[avatar4321]

They didn't win because God was on their side. They won because they were on God's side.

And i fear WW3 is inevitable without serious Divine intervention.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

They didn't win because God was on their side. They won because they were on God's side.

And i fear WW3 is inevitable without serious Divine intervention. Same thing . You can't have a hot dog without the wiener.:laugh: They were on the side of freedom and religious tolerance. They acknowledged the almighty creator. That was enough then and it will be now too. Should we choose to do so... You must remember that Islam denies Jesus's divinity. It can not stand because of that denial. When the time comes it shall fall and perish forever. --Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

You must remember that Islam denies Jesus's divinity. It can not stand because of that denial. When the time comes it shall fall and perish forever. --Tyr http://www.redstate.com/2012/09/25/president-obama-declares-the-future-must-not-belong-to-practicing-christians/ President Obama Declares The Future Must Not Belong to Practicing Christians

By: Erick Erickson (Diary) | September 25th, 2012 at 11:20 AM | 203

RESIZE: AAA

In his speech to the United Nations General Assembly today the President of the United States declared that the future does not belong to practicing Christians. Already, the media and the left are in full denial, probably based on their general lack of understanding of theology. This would have been a gaffe had Mitt Romney said it. But with Barack Obama, he’s just speaking bold truths. His bold truth declares that the future does not belong to practicing Christians.

Pay careful attention to what he says.


The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. Yet to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see when the image of Jesus Christ is desecrated, churches are destroyed, or the Holocaust is denied. Let us condemn incitement against Sufi Muslims, and Shiite pilgrims. It is time to heed the words of Gandhi: “Intolerance is itself a form of violence and an obstacle to the growth of a true democratic spirit.” Together, we must work towards a world where we are strengthened by our differences, and not defined by them. That is what America embodies, and that is the vision we will support.

Now, that’s the full paragraph so no one can claim I took him out of context.

But consider this.

It is an orthodox Christian belief that Mohammed is not a prophet. Actual Christians, as opposed to many of the supposed Christians put up by the mainstream media, believe that Christ is the only way to salvation. Believing that is slandering Mohammed. That’s just a fact. If you don’t believe me, you go into the MIddle East and proclaim Christ is the way, the truth, and the life and see what happens to your life.

Then Barack Obama went on to say “Yet to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see when the image of Jesus Christ is desecrated, churches are destroyed, or the Holocaust is denied.” Note he says we cannot “slander the prophet of Islam” but it’s only the image of Christ in the next sentence — not actually Christ himself desecrated. If this is so, why does Barack Obama’s government continue funding the National Endowment for the Arts, which funded Christ in piss, the Virgin Mary painted in dung, etc.?

Now, in point of fact, this is a major difference between Islam and Christianity. Christ came to this world as an enemy of the world and expected to be impugned. He also tells his followers that they should expect to be impugned. There is joy in being persecuted for following the Risen Lord. In Islam, if you impugn Mohammed, you get a fatwa on your butt.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

A most interesting thread ! Thanks to Tyr for it .. I've just now read it in greater detail.

From my own experience in the UK, it seems perfectly obvious that Islamists have three distinct ways of operating in order to achieve a form of dominance in a Society.

The first is through terrorism .. and not much needs to be said on that score. 9/11, the UK's '7/7' attack in London, the attack at the Atosha station in Spain .. and many more attacks besides, in various parts of the world. Through murder and mayhem, they hope that through acts of terrorism, the will to fight back can be sapped .. and, I'm sorry to say, this sometimes is successful.

The second, pivotal, means (aided and abetted by the Left) is through social incursion. Immigrants arrive, equipped with their cultural and religious identities, they take root in specific areas, form their own communities, all of which pushes out what was in the area they occupy beforehand. Demands are made, all of which serve the requirements of the invading Islamic culture and traditions. Integration is a non-starter ... always, those communities expect OTHERS to bend to THEM.

The third is through exploitation of indigenous freedoms. Demands are made to insist that concession after concession is made to them. Pressure groups form, and always citing either the race card, or the 'bigotry' card, they insist that anyone opposing them must be doing so through unacceptably antisocial means. This is particularly where the Left comes in ... Left-wingers insist that to speak out against them is evidence of racism or bigotry, and pressure groups invariably win out. Laws are passed, such as 'hatespeech' legislation, making strong criticism actionable in law. But more, the indigenous population becomes conditioned to revile anyone not conforming to these socially-conditioned imperatives.

Terrorism is a very 'blunt instrument' for Muslims to use ... though also a much-favoured one, as we've all seen.

Social incursion is less blunt, dealing in large measure with a form of physical invasion. Areas are occupied and, in essence, 'terraformed' to become Muslim in 'nature'.

Exploitative incursion is the most insidious. Through it, social conditioning is brought to bear, aided, as I've said, by the Left. People are pressured into believing that just THINKING of forms of opposition is wrong .. bigoted, racist, intolerant generally. So, belief-systems grow which always, but ALWAYS, lead to an ongoing process of evolving deference .. to Islam and to those practising it.

Folks, understand .. I am not theorising, just describing an ongoing reality in my own society !! Common throughout all of this is the sheer invasiveness of Islam. Islam, in my experience, has no interest in compromise that doesn't end up in achieving considerable advantage to ITS purposes, and more often than not compromise isn't even a factor AT ALL. No, Islam spreads and dominates .. and that's the point of Islam in a nutshell .. one of DOMINION.

Now .. how is that remotely compatible with the preservation of freedoms ? Answer .. IT ISN'T, not if those 'freedoms' are freedoms to defy Islam.

The conflict of Sharia with Western values is a case in point. In the UK, as a guiding legal principle, UK law should always prevail. If a Sharia directive can be arrived at and no UK law is broken, then 'fair enough' in our system ... BUT ... legally, no Sharia law 'court' can set itself up in defiance against UK law.

Sounds fine, doesn't it ... BUT for the process I've described already. Our laws are the product of values reflected by the population, HOWEVER, if those values change, then we can expect our laws to reflect that. Hatespeech legislation is a case in point. So .. if our values bend over time, if in the name of 'tolerance' we find we 'want' to accept other values and defer to them (led by the nose into this by Lefties ..) .. then the law, in the fullness of time, can undergo a form of erosion, where other laws supersede them.

As a consequence of ALL this, it's evident that we've been seen in the UK to be fair game for incursion. We get remarkably little incidence of terrorism here, I think because the 'sneakier' methods work here so very well !! So, goodbye churches, and hello, monolithic Mosque structures. And be careful what you say !!!!

But, America has an advantage we fail to have. You have a Constitution which can act as a barrier to certain incursions, it seems to me. So, the question for me is, just how bulletproof does this make America by comparison ?

I've heard that Obama is known for acting unconstitutionally when it suits him to .. surely a dangerous precedent. Should your society allow it ?

Does Obama cite reasonings to justify himself, reasonings which persuade others to adopt societal values which can 'catch on' and seem reasonable ? Folks, I'm somewhat out of my depth in trying to judge this either way, but what I'm saying is, IF this is happening, the dangers inherent in that process are grave.

So, surely, Americans must be prepared to fight if needs be, for what is theirs by right .. by birthright. Tyr's spirit is commendable, but perhaps more importantly, is INSIGHTFUL ... because you ARE in a war against those utterly determined to overthrow your values. They'll use whatever methodology works, be it the gun or bomb, acts of savagery, or of deployed propaganda crafted to fight your very thought processes and change them to THEIR preferences.

Therein, if they succeed, lies the road to the death of freedom.

DO YOU WANT THAT ? YES OR NO ? Because if 'no', then my suggestion is that you take the utmost notice of what Tyr had to tell you. And .. if that isn't enough for you, then cast your eyes and ears eastwards, to learn what's happening on my side of the Pond. To see what COULD happen .. if you allow it to. Now a bit over a year later we see so much more evidence in Obama's agenda to validate just how accurate and insightful the above quoted post is. A post made from one outside looking in. A conservative Brit that values truth ,honor and freedom the way WE Americans used to. Yes , my post started this thread ,my stand was taken and I gave an accurate account of how Islam is waging a war on this nation but Drummond's posts shows that of being outside and looking in. Now a year after his post we see so much more that validates just how insightful and accurate that post was! For now we see muslims here demanding blasphemy laws be passed. Trust me on this , they likely will be passed eventually but it'll only list Islam as the very special and protected entity. With that in mind I'll end this reply with a previous reply I made a while back and it's dead on the mark! ALL WOULD BE WISE TO HEED THESE WORDS IMHO. Certainly not because they come from me but rather because they are the truth of a very real and extreme danger..
My parents taught me to hate evil. The only thing they stated hating was the right thing to do on. Obama is evil, not a biased opinion it is a damn fact. The man votes for murdering babies born alive after an abortion was botched. The ffing scum vigorously supports abortion and murder of babies. Ask yourself why? Answer, as a muslim we are the enemy, less than human and should be aborted. Islam has always maintained that high birth rate is a weapon,= more soldiers for Allah. So naturally they encourage us to abort ours. All these people on here talking about knowing muslims and how nice they are , are really themselves being quite gullible and foolish. Every true muslim is taught that all non-muslims are less than animals. So all that nicey nicey to their face when speaking with them is pure baloney. They really are
just playing the game with we Westerners. When they get control all those fooled people will be kicked around like a dog and made to grovel like scum. People I respect have been fooled but never me. Once I know a truth it never leaves me! Islam is evil and is our avowed enemy. Islam seeks our total destruction. -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

By the way while I am at it why doesn't any of you pro-Islam diehard supporters ever criticize Islam for it's abortion stand. There is absolutely no abortion allowed in Islam! In fact , should any try it they'd be sentenced for murder outright in all muslim controlled nations! So why the silence on this and also the lack of criticism of their legal punishment of hanging gays just for being gay! Why the deafening silence on that one too! When Islam's mistreatment of women is not criticized as it should be! When nobody attempts an answer to these three questions I'll know my point just blasted home about the hypocrisy of the left, the liberals, the American women's rights advocates and the pro-abortion crowd just hit its mark.... --Tyr

[Arbo]

There is absolutely no abortion allowed in Islam!

So on that subject you stand with Islam as well?

[aboutime]

Now a bit over a year later we see so much more evidence in Obama's agenda to validate just how accurate and insightful the above quoted post is. A post made from one outside looking in. A conservative Brit that values truth ,honor and freedom the way WE Americans used to. Yes , my post started this thread ,my stand was taken and I gave an accurate account of how Islam is waging a war on this nation but Drummond's posts shows that of being outside and looking in. Now a year after his post we see so much more that validates just how insightful and accurate that post was! For now we see muslims here demanding blasphemy laws be passed. Trust me on this , they likely will be passed eventually but it'll only list Islam as the very special and protected entity. With that in mind I'll end this reply with a previous reply I made a while back and it's dead on the mark! ALL WOULD BE WISE TO HEED THESE WORDS IMHO. Certainly not because they come from me but rather because they are the truth of a very real and extreme danger..


Tyr. Absolutely. Almost scary to compare all of that with what Obama, and the Democrat party have been working so diligently to bring about, here in this nation.
One step at a time, as we have all been seeing.
Obama's Destroy Switch is far more Reaching than many are willing to accept, or believe.

Remember this?......
First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Tyr. Absolutely. Almost scary to compare all of that with what Obama, and the Democrat party have been working so diligently to bring about, here in this nation.
One step at a time, as we have all been seeing.
Obama's Destroy Switch is far more Reaching than many are willing to accept, or believe.

Remember this?......
First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Quite likely there will be a day not too far in the future when they come for the true patriots of this nation. I'd rather die with my feet firmly planted and my rifle barrel hot than not.;) Then again I think some ways of dying are far better than others. They call me a dinosaur but I ain't dead yet and that worries the cowardly scum methinks. If it didn't the bastards would not be so hard driven to try to take our guns before they make that move! The war has already begun most Americans just don't know it yet. The first battle is about the patriots keeping their guns. --Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Quite likely there will be a day not too far in the future when they come for the true patriots of this nation. I'd rather die with my feet firmly planted and my rifle barrel hot than not.;) Then again I think some ways of dying are far better than others. They call me a dinosaur but I ain't dead yet and that worries the cowardly scum methinks. If it didn't the bastards would not be so hard driven to try to take our guns before they make that move! The war has already begun most Americans just don't know it yet. The first battle is about the patriots keeping their guns. --Tyr HAHA, JUST TALKED WITH MY BROTHER TONIGHT ABOUT THIS GUN TAKING CRAP BAMTRAITOR IS RUNNING NOW. My brother reminded me that taking away our freedom of speech rights would be a greater boon for the traitorous weasels. Then he offered maybe they will get into a great fight over which one to do first and have a great split. I shot back with, hell they are working on both as fast as they can now. Obama probably stole a billion dollars to award to which side wins by succeeding first. Three basic things they seek to take away and together they represent the whole ball of wax here. 1. FREEDOM OF RELIGION 2. FREEDOM OF SPEECH 3. 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS. ALL THREE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BUT NUMBER 3 GUARANTEES NUMBERS 1 AND 2... Americans had best understand that. They will not take away one and two until after they take away number 3!!! -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://janmorganmedia.com/2012/09/the-muslim-brotherhood-plan-for-destruction-of-america-from-within/ The Muslim Brotherhood Plan for Destruction of America From Within
Read more at http://janmorganmedia.com/2012/09/the-muslim-brotherhood-plan-for-destruction-of-america-from-within/#4ly2vUK8DgPIowHV.99 A recent article in Frontpagemag, “Muslims Have More DNC Delegates than Montana, Utah and Oklahoma Put Together” listed some very interesting stats:
Read more at http://janmorganmedia.com/2012/09/the-muslim-brotherhood-plan-for-destruction-of-america-from-within/#4ly2vUK8DgPIowHV.99
The statement that there are 100 Muslim delegates comes from CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) and can be found in an article that was published by the Washington Post on September 5, 2012,


The number of Muslim delegates attending the Democratic National Convention has quadrupled since 2004, according to a Muslim advocacy group.

The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations counts more than 100 Muslim delegates representing some 20 states at the Democratic convention in Charlotte, N.C., this week. That’s up from 25 delegates in 2004, according to CAIR.

The Washington Post article continued with a quote from Robert McCaw,

CAIR government affairs coordinator Robert McCaw said the numbers were “a sign of the American Muslim community’s growing civic engagement and acceptance in the Democratic Party.” He also said that Democrats had targeted outreach to American Muslims.

The statement, “the numbers were a sign of the American Muslim community’s growing civic engagement and acceptance” reminded me of one specific part of the Muslim Brotherhood plan known as “The Project” and I decided that it was time to revisit it given the upcoming elections and world events.

The document, known in counterterrorism circles as “The Project“, was recovered in a raid by Swiss authorities in November 2001, just two months after 9/11. The 14-page plan written in Arabic and dated December 1, 1982, outlines a 12-point strategy to “establish an Islamic government on earth” – identified as The Project.

The following points are among the many recommendations made in “The Project”,
Networking and coordinating actions between likeminded Islamist organizations;
Avoiding open alliances with known terrorist organizations and individuals to maintain the appearance of “moderation”;
Infiltrating and taking over existing Muslim organizations to realign them towards the Muslim Brotherhood’s collective goals;
Using deception to mask the intended goals of Islamist actions, as long as it doesn’t conflict with shari’a law;
Avoiding social conflicts with Westerners locally, nationally or globally, that might damage the long-term ability to expand the Islamist powerbase in the West or provoke a lash back against Muslims;
Establishing financial networks to fund the work of conversion of the West, including the support of full-time administrators and workers;
Conducting surveillance, obtaining data, and establishing collection and data storage capabilities;
Putting into place a watchdog system for monitoring Western media to warn Muslims of “international plots fomented against them”;
Cultivating an Islamist intellectual community, including the establishment of think-tanks and advocacy groups, and publishing “academic” studies, to legitimize Islamist positions and to chronicle the history of Islamist movements;
Developing a comprehensive 100-year plan to advance Islamist ideology throughout the world;
Balancing international objectives with local flexibility;
Building extensive social networks of schools, hospitals and charitable organizations dedicated to Islamist ideals so that contact with the movement for Muslims in the West is constant

Read more at http://janmorganmedia.com/2012/09/the-muslim-brotherhood-plan-for-destruction-of-america-from-within/#4ly2vUK8DgPIowHV.99

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2013/09/cair-impeded-fbi-probe-of-somali-terrorist-group-in-kenya-attack/ CAIR Impeded FBI Probe of Somali Terrorist Group in Kenya Attack The Al Qaeda affiliate that terrorized a Kenyan shopping center and murdered scores of innocent people has a powerful and influential advocate in the United States, the Muslim “civil rights” group known as the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).

It’s unlikely that the mainstream media will mention the connection, but it’s deep and it involves interfering in federal probes involving the radicalization of young Somali men in the U.S., like the ones carrying out the attack at the Westgate Shopping Mall in Northern Nairobi. CAIR has also wielded its power to silence critics of the Al Qaeda offshoot—Somalia’s Al Shabaab—that stormed into the mall, murdered at least 68 and took dozens of hostages.

Several of the jihadists involved in the attack are Somalis from Minnesota, according to a mainstream news report. They include 22-year-old Ahmed Mohamed Isse of St. Paul and 24-year-old Abdifatah Osman Keenadiid of Minneapolis. In the last few years the FBI and Congress have launched probes into the radicalization of the Somali American community in Minnesota. Al Shabaab recruits young men in local mosques and ships them off to train and fight in Somalia.

CAIR, an Islamic terrorist front group that reportedly raises money for Hamas, has interfered with the U.S. government’s investigation into this operation. A few years ago it actually hampered an FBI probe into the disappearance of dozens of Twin Cities Somali men. Many in the local Somali community denounced CAIR’s actions, saying that the group was actually discouraging them from cooperating with the FBI.During the Obama administration we’ve seen CAIR gain tremendous power and influence, which is incredibly alarming considering the group has extensive links to foreign and domestic Islamists. It was founded in 1994 by three Middle Eastern extremists (Omar Ahmad, Nihad Awad and Rafeeq Jaber) who ran the American propaganda wing of Hamas, known then as the Islamic Association for Palestine. In 2008 CAIR was a co-conspirator in a federal terror-finance case involving the Hamas front group Holy Land Foundation. Read more in a Judicial Watch special report that focuses on Muslim charities.

Yet last year President Obama’s deputies held hundreds of closed-door meetings with CAIR officials. Little information was discussed publicly about the secret sessions, but the news organization that broke the story quoted a White House director saying that government departments and agencies discussed a “range of issues.”

Around the same time, the FBI purged its anti-terrorism training curricula of material determined to be “offensive” to Muslims. Judicial Watch uncovered this scandal and obtained the FBI records just a few weeks ago. CAIR is not specifically named but the records show that an undisclosed group of “Subject Matter Experts” (SME) determined the federal training material was offensive to Muslims. Just last month, several police departments in Illinois cancelled their anti-terrorism training because CAIR complained that the instructor was blatantly anti-Muslim. Yes, Obama helps CAIR IN ITS ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES. --Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

By the way while I am at it why doesn't any of you pro-Islam diehard supporters ever criticize Islam for it's abortion stand. There is absolutely no abortion allowed in Islam! In fact , should any try it they'd be sentenced for murder outright in all muslim controlled nations! So why the silence on this and also the lack of criticism of their legal punishment of hanging gays just for being gay! Why the deafening silence on that one too! When Islam's mistreatment of women is not criticized as it should be! When nobody attempts an answer to these three questions I'll know my point just blasted home about the hypocrisy of the left, the liberals, the American women's rights advocates and the pro-abortion crowd just hit its mark.... --Tyr
Nobody dared to defend those.. Surely because doing so is impossible and would also reveal their true political leanings I suspect. :laugh:--Tyr

[Arbo]

If nobody replies, I will later quote myself and declare victory!

Nobody responded so I declare victory!!

Some people are so funny. Not in a good way.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://news.yahoo.com/three-members-39-muslim-patrol-39-jailed-london-135449374.html Three members of 'Muslim patrol' jailed in London London (AFP) - Three members of a self-styled "Muslim patrol" in London who harassed passers-by for wearing short skirts, holding hands and drinking alcohol have been jailed, in a conviction welcomed by the local mosque on Saturday.

The men were jailed for up to 16 months on Friday after admitting a variety of public order and assault charges during 'patrols' in December 2012 and January 2013.

One of the incidents was filmed by the gang and posted on YouTube, causing widespread public outrage and raising tensions in an area already targeted by far-right groups because of its large Muslim population.

"These men routinely threatened and intimidated innocent members of the public whom they perceived to be behaving in an 'un-Islamic' manner," said prosecutor Baljit Ubhey.

"They would roam the streets, seeking out victims whom they could target, and chanting threats to 'kill the non-believers'.

"On the nights in question they confronted and aggressively intimidated a couple who were holding hands in the street, a group of friends who were drinking alcohol, and a girl whom they deemed to be dressed provocatively."




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Some of the patrols took place near the East London Mosque in Whitechapel, which has welcomed the co …

Some of the patrols took place near the East London Mosque in Whitechapel, which hosts 7,000 worshippers on a typical Friday and has strongly condemned the harassment.

The mosque says Muslims in the area have been attacked and it has received hate mail as a result of the patrols.

Executive director Dilowar Khan welcomed Friday's convictions, saying bullying was un-Islamic and the men's actions were "pathetic".

"We hope these three men will take time during their incarceration to reflect upon the hurt and damage they have caused not only to their victims, but to the entire British Muslim community," he said.

Jordan Horner was jailed for 68 weeks after pleading guilty to actual bodily harm, threatening behaviour and public order offences, according to the Crown Prosecution Service.

Ricardo Macfarlane received 12 months after admitting affray, while a third man, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was sentenced to 24 weeks for public order offences.

A spokesman for the mosque told AFP the convicted men were not local to the area and were followers of Islamist preacher Anjem Choudary, a leader of the radical Al-Muhajiroun group. Mere window dressing folks. They are now gaining so much control so fast that this open confrontation may start a backlash and unification of their opposition. Apparently Choudary has ignored their instructions to cease and desist . So we get this for consumption of the gullible citizens to ease their fears. I do not think for a minute the Muslims there are against this but it makes for a better strategic advancement to appear to be adamantly against it for now. -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

More vindication of the absolute correctness of my opening post of this thread.--Tyr

http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2013/12/08/pearsons-world-history-text-book-continues-to-push-biased-imbalanced-view-of-islam-on-students/ Pearson’s World History text book continues to push biased, imbalanced view of Islam on students Posted on December 8, 2013 by creeping


Islamic history is banned from FBI training however. via Florida Family Association.

Pearson plc also owns a top advertiser on Al Jazeera America.


Pearson’s World History text book continues to push biased, imbalanced view of Islam on students.

Pearson plc also owns a top advertiser on Al Jazeera America.

Click here to send your email that urges Pearson officials to cease future publishing of the objectionable content and recall the book.



The same company that published a high school text book which embellishes Islamists and belittles Judaism and Christianity also has ownership in The Economist, a leading advertiser on Al Jazeera America.
The World History text book came under fire in July 2013 in Brevard County, Florida. The Washington Times reports in part:


“The book has a 36-page chapter on Islam but no chapters on Christianity or Judaism,” said Florida State Representative Rep. Ritch Workman, in Townhall, about the Prentice World History textbook. “It’s remarkably one-sided.

Mr. Workman said the textbook, which has been on the Brevard County schools’ approved course list for three years, also rewrites the history of Islam. He looked through it and found the authors “make a very obvious attempt not to insult Islam by reshaping history,” Townhall reported.

“If you don’t see it from the eyes of a parent, kids are going to take this book as gospel and believe that Christians and Jews were murderous barbarians and thank God the Muslims came along and the world is great,” he said, as Townhall reported.

Here’s an example: Muhammad and his armies’ take-over of Medina states depicted “people happily accept[ing of] Islam as their way of life. It leaves out that tens of thousands of Jews and non-believers were massacred by [Muhammad’s] armies. It’s a blatant deception.”

At the same time, the book depicts Jesus as claiming to be the Messiah — but writes as fact that Muhammad was the prophet, Mr. Workman said in the Townhall article. Students in the class are also taught about the Koran and pillars of Islam.

“They don’t do that for Christianity,” he said, as Townhall reported. “That is offensive to me.”

“Some of the descriptions of the battles use the word ‘massacre’ when it’s a Christian battle and ‘takeover’ when it’s a Muslim battle,” said Amy Kneessy to Fox News. “In young minds, massacre paints a very different visual picture than a takeover or occupation — when in fact both battles were very bloody.”

The publisher, Pearson, denied any bias. But Mr. Workman said he was told by a spokesperson for the publisher that a Muslim cleric was hired to write the sections on Islam. Not just lopsided propaganda but deliberate and very provable lying incorporated into the book and called facts. Folks this coming into our school systems was part of what I warned about with my opening post of this long thread. And now in such a short time we keep seeing more and more of appeasement mentality that is just a part of the dearth by a thousand cuts the Muslims love to employ! WHERE ARE THE NUMEROUS CRITICS I HAD BACK WHEN I STARTED THIS THREAD WELL OVER A YEAR AGO?--TYR

[red states rule]

http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/uploads/72Virgins.jpg

[Jeff]

Nobody responded so I declare victory!!

Some people are so funny. Not in a good way.


:lol::trolls::lol:


If ya ignore them enough they will leave :laugh:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post

By the way while I am at it why doesn't any of you pro-Islam diehard supporters ever criticize Islam for it's abortion stand. There is absolutely no abortion allowed in Islam! In fact , should any try it they'd be sentenced for murder outright in all muslim controlled nations! So why the silence on this and also the lack of criticism of their legal punishment of hanging gays just for being gay! Why the deafening silence on that one too! When Islam's mistreatment of women is not criticized as it should be! When nobody attempts an answer to these three questions I'll know my point just blasted home about the hypocrisy of the left, the liberals, the American women's rights advocates and the pro-abortion crowd just hit its mark.... --Tyr Nobody dared to defend those.. Surely because doing so is impossible and would also reveal their true political leanings I suspect. :laugh:--Tyr

Still nobody dares to defend those.. My, my, where did all that earlier defending of the indefensible melt away to?:laugh:-Tyr

[aboutime]

http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/uploads/72Virgins.jpg




red states rule. More Miss-information for the Liberally, mentally challenged.

It's not 72 virgins, but only ONE 72 year old MALE virgin.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

This is what they will soon be doing here. Same Koran, Same Allah , same Muhammad is taught here folks. They are taught here to obey the religious leaders(Imams) commands. We even have muslim military compounds actively and openly practicing attacks upon its opposition here! Our government turns a blind eye to it folks! Here is just one of their ways of dealing with those they deem to be worthy of death= gays.

http://halalporkshop.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/a-person-maybe-burnt-alivepushed-from.html
LOOK UNDER THE BURKA OF ISLAM


FREE SPEECH ZONE
Thursday, December 19, 2013




"A PERSON MAYBE BURNT ALIVE,PUSHED FROM HIGH WALL OR BEATEN PUBLICALY WITH STONES"MUFTI ISSUES FATWA AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY AND LIVE IN RELATIONSHIPS(INDIA)


A Bareilly-based cleric has issued a fatwa against homosexuality and live-in relationships calling them anti-Islam and said Shariyat has provisions to punish those indulging in such acts.

The fatwa was issued by Mohammad Afzaal Rizwi, the mufti of Darululoom Ifta at Dargah Aala Hazrat, Bareilly in response to a query byAkhlaq Ahmed Siddiqui Noori on the issue.

The mufti has cited two hadis (teachings of the Prophet Mohammed) from the Quran as a premise for his fatwa. As per Hadis Dur-re-mukhtar, such acts could attract severe punishment, he said. "A person may be burntalive, pushed from a high wall or be beaten publically with stones if he indulges into either of the two behaviours," the fatwa states.

The other hadis is a story that explains why Islam is against homosexuality. The story relates to a tribe, kaum-e-looth, which existed in the pre-Islamic era. The tribe is said to have perished because it indulged in homosexuality.

Regarding live-in relationships, the fatwa says a couple staying together or having sexual relationship without solemnising marriage is banned under Islam. The woman in a live-in relationship cannot ask for the rights of a wife.

Many clerics have backed the fatwa. Maulana Tasleem Raza Khan of Ahle Sunnat Movement said the two relationships do not have legal validity under Islam. He said no religion would allow this and advised Muslims to boycott the law that promotes such behaviour.

Shia cleric Maulana Yadoob Abbas said both live-in relationships and homosexuality are against nature. "Going against nature would spell doom," he said. Maulana Khalid Rasheed Firangi Mahli of Eidgah Lucknow termed it "against Indian tradition".

SOURCE
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Bareilly-cleric-issues-fatwa-against-homosexuality-live-in-relationships/articleshow/27666252.cms Do not think for a damn minute that obeying our laws will stop them once they get enough power and population to start the murdering and bombing. No laws in history has ever stopped them, they only obey Allah. A concept too damn many Americans can not grasp nor understand how infinitely fanatical they are about it. Fanatical enough to murder every man, woman and infidel child in this nation that does not submit!! If any of you non-Muslims think you are immune you are delusional. They make no exceptions ONCE ORDERED TO MURDER. Everybody too busy to research and find out about this dire threat will likely one day(too damn late) find out at the last minute just how foolish they were. Just as history's 250 million + murdered victims found out!!

[Jeff]

Some would think Obama just isn't smart enough to do so but for those of us that can think, we now there is no way he would label what he loves !!!



On Wednesday, Egypt’s military-backed interim government declared the Muslim Brotherhood to be a terrorist group. This declaration criminalizes the Muslim Brotherhood’s activities, financing and membership, including the countries former president Mohamed Morsi.


http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/12/egypt-washington-wont-declares-muslim-brotherhood-terrorist-group/

[Jeff]

For those that want to say I posted this yesterday I did, but this is a different story and I do apologize for the 2 threads, but as I went to post it this morning I seen that this is the thread it belongs in. Yes the media for some reason doesn't think this should be front page news :eek: But we all have a brain and can see what these people are made of, this is just another example of how once in power these parasites are anything but the religion of peace !!



BAGHDAD (AP) -- The United Nations on Friday condemned a rocket attack on a camp housing an Iranian exile group near Baghdad, calling on Iraqi government to protect the camp and investigate the incident.
On Thursday night, barrage of rockets were fired on Camp Liberty, home to members of the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq, the militant wing of the National Council of Resistance of Iran, a Paris-based group opposed to Iran's cleric-led government. The group said three residents were killed and more than 50 wounded. Iraqi officials said the only casualties were two people wounded.


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAQ?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-12-25-13-04-24

[Jeff]

I wonder what the paper that it appears they are grading is all about , teaching the children how they are the religion of peace ?? They ask what would ya do if this was your child, I think most would agree the kids would learn that it isn't all about peace to say the least .



The fine art of teaching, Islam style. What would you do if this was your child’s teacher?



http://clashdaily.com/2014/01/religion-peace-watch-muslim-teacher-beats-children/

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I wonder what the paper that it appears they are grading is all about , teaching the children how they are the religion of peace ?? They ask what would ya do if this was your child, I think most would agree the kids would learn that it isn't all about peace to say the least .

http://clashdaily.com/2014/01/religion-peace-watch-muslim-teacher-beats-children/ Nothing but pure child abuse. Show me that man within my striking distance and I would break his sorry ass from that and anybody that tries to defend the ffing scum. That so typifies Islam- savagery, barbarity and violence. -Tyr

[Jeff]

Yes another example of the religion of peace :rolleyes:




Sanaz Nezami was a beautiful, intelligent young woman with a bright future ahead of her. She was 27-years-old and newly married to Nima Nassiri, (http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/01/02/woman-tragic-death-witnessed-by-family-on-laptop/?intcmp=latestnews) an Islamic man from Los Angeles. This tragic story broke on January 1st. The AP whitewashed the story. USA Today’s story read “Woman’s Tragic Death Leads Nurses To Bond With Her Family Overseas (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/01/iranian-woman-dies-nurses-bond-yahoo-messenger/4281749/).” The title is correct, but the truth about what happened to the brilliant young woman, who could speak three languages, is much darker. She died at the hands of her Islamic husband, in what was most obviously an honor killing (http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/04/michigan-muslim-fatally-beats-new-bride/). Why does the media ignore the atrocities of Islam? How many more women like Sanaz Nezami (http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/01/02/woman-tragic-death-witnessed-by-family-on-laptop/?intcmp=latestnews)will have to die at the hands of their husbands, or other relatives, before society recognizes the truth? Sadly, too many have died. American society is hopelessly brainwashed by the progressive media and the Obama Administration into believing Islam is a religion of peace; a religion misunderstood and hijacked by radicals (http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/03/the-allen-west-congressional-letter-of-pandering-cowardice-to-islam/). By the time people wake up, it will be too late.



http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/01/honor-killing-in-michigan-iranian-sanaz-nezami-savagely-beaten-by-islamic-husband-family-watches-death-online/

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Yes another example of the religion of peace :rolleyes:






http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/01/honor-killing-in-michigan-iranian-sanaz-nezami-savagely-beaten-by-islamic-husband-family-watches-death-online/ Remember the muslim guy here that cut his wife heads completely off in an honor killing? Yet we still have fools declare that happens over there not here! Honor killings here are often not even declared honor killings by the government media. It takes true journalists investigating and reporting to get that information out. There is an organized cover up by our media on this subject. -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/03/honor-killing-islams-gruesome-gallery.html tuesday, march 31, 2009


honor killings grow in the west: Islam's gruesome gallery



the horror of these young girls -- terror-stricken victims, who live in homemade concentration camps -- is given the imprimatur of the west in its complicit silence. The media goes to extraordinary lengths to whitewash these crimes and disconnect the motive for these murders. The west looks away as more and more girls fall victim to the sharia in the west. The "feminists" look away and pretend that it is outside the realm of women's rights. They are shills for islam. Shame on all of you for failing our women, our children, our girls, our very way of life. How dare they throw away our superior culture with both hands.

May jessica mokdad: (below left) islamic honor killing in michigan may 4, 2011 click the link for the pictures and details of the girls murdered!! -tyr

[Jeff]

Yes the religion of peace where the kids grow up playing fun games such as make believe suicide bomber :rolleyes: I know many will say this was made up and honestly I hope it is , because this is just plain disgusting if for real. Unfortunately after all the reading I have seen on this religion of peace it just doesn't surprise me .



Children Playing Suicide Bomber Game..


http://clashdaily.com/2014/01/religion-sickness-watch-muslim-kids-play-suicide-bomber/

[Jeff]

This is sad to say the least , it amazes me all the people that do follow this pedophile with all the proof showing just what he is.




It is beyond the realm of all reason and logic that over one billion people worship at the feet of not only a sadistic warmonger and misogynist–but also a brazen pedophile.Of course the people I’m referring to are Muslims–and the pedophile is their prophet, Mohammed.



http://clashdaily.com/2014/01/just-say-muslims-worship-pedophile/

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

this is sad to say the least , it amazes me all the people that do follow this pedophile with all the proof showing just what he is.






http://clashdaily.com/2014/01/just-say-muslims-worship-pedophile/ amen!

[aboutime]

And, allow me to introduce all of you to America's version....5848click to enlarge...

IF YOU DARE. (Barf Bag Optional)

[Jeff]

This is a article that surely will make you take a stance, Yes Hamas train 13,000 kids to kill others while killing themselves as well, and to think there are actually those that support these Sick S.O.B.'s , so we now have 13,000 more terrorist ( yes if they are willing to kill themselves while killing others they are terrorist ) This is the kind of behavior you expect from savages not from the religion of peace !!



How sick are these people that they’ll train their kids to murder others by killing themselves.Check it out:
Hamas has historically engaged in concerted efforts to brainwash its youth to wage violent jihad. Roughly 13,000 high school students participated in a week-long training camp geared to enable the teenagers “to follow in the footsteps of the suicide martyrs.”


OK this next statement tells me it is time to kill them all and let Allah sort them out, after all if this is the New generation that has no fear then they must be exterminated for the good of all !



While addressing the graduation ceremony, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh warned Israel that “this is a generation which knows no fear. It is the generation of the missile, the tunnel, and the suicide operations.” Hamas’ interior minister said that the training was in preparation for the next war with Israel.


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/01/15/Hamas-Trains-13000-Teens-to-Emulate-Suicide-Martyrs

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

This is a article that surely will make you take a stance, Yes Hamas train 13,000 kids to kill others while killing themselves as well, and to think there are actually those that support these Sick S.O.B.'s , so we now have 13,000 more terrorist ( yes if they are willing to kill themselves while killing others they are terrorist ) This is the kind of behavior you expect from savages not from the religion of peace !!





OK this next statement tells me it is time to kill them all and let Allah sort them out, after all if this is the New generation that has no fear then they must be exterminated for the good of all !





http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/01/15/Hamas-Trains-13000-Teens-to-Emulate-Suicide-Martyrs Careful Jeff or else you will get a few resident Muslim apologists here HARD ON YOUR CASE for presenting such truth. That or else they will completely ignore you in an attempt to not further discussion that will reveal more truth on the scum they defend. -Tyr

[Jeff]

Those you speak of I predict will try and educate me :laugh: ( or at least in a fashion to try and make themselves look smart ) when in fact anyone that can read will see all they are actually doing is blowing smoke screens , telling tall tales, following Obama's examples or (truth be told) just out and out lying !

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Those you speak of I predict will try and educate me :laugh: ( or at least in a fashion to try and make themselves look smart ) when in fact anyone that can read will see all they are actually doing is blowing smoke screens , telling tall tales, following Obama's examples or (truth be told) just out and out lying ! Quite true. TRUTH stands the test of time. I started this thread 9-12-2012 and back then got fierce opposition . Now majority of that has gone the way of the dodo bird. Two years and 3 months later the state of this nation, the rapid fall of Britain/France to the muslims just further validate my stand. By far the greatest threat facing both those nations is their own muslim population. How any sane people can expect to invite in deadly snake to live in their house and still expect to live in peace and security is well beyond me to understand! They took a hardcore murdering religion that has zero respect for them and thier way of life, invite them in and let them work their magic! Now wake up to find their invited guests seek to destroy them---duh! Why did they think the scum came there in the first place? My point is the same thing is going on here in USA. THE PACE HAS BEEN EVER SO RAPIDLY ADVANCED BY OBAMA! ARE WE TO ALLOW DUMBASS ,GULLIBLE PEOPLE TO ENGINEER OUR DESTRUCTION!???? WE ALLOW THE MUSLIM PROPAGANDA MACHINE (CAIR) FULL PLAY HERE NOW. Our government and courts are full of sell outs. America is no more exempt from the ravages of the muslim scum than are China and Russia. Just look at the recent muslim attacks there which were almost unheard of when this thread was started 27 months ago--that's how rapid they are now moving because their man is now our PRESIDENT!! IRAN WILL GET ITS NUKES --OBAMA SAYS SO.. HIS NEW DEAL WITH IRAN IS TO BUY THEM TIME TO GET THIER NUKES BEFORE ISRAEL IGNORES HIS SORRY TRAITOROUS ASS AND STRIKES THEM ANYWAY. That means they must have them ready to go before he leaves office and thats why he has this new deal with Iran. A deal he negotiated leaving the Israelis completely out of it when its their nation threatened with the Iranian nukes first and foremost. I hope Israel tells that worm to go to hell and strikes IRAN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. OBAMA SHOULD BE IN PRISON RIGHT NOW FOR HIS DAMN TREASON. IF HE HAS NOT COMMITTED TREASON THEN SUCH A THING DOESNT EXIST!-TYR

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Quite true. TRUTH stands the test of time. I started this thread 9-12-2012 and back then got fierce opposition . Now majority of that has gone the way of the dodo bird. Two years and 3 months later the state of this nation, the rapid fall of Britain/France to the muslims just further validate my stand. By far the greatest threat facing both those nations is their own muslim population. How any sane people can expect to invite in deadly snake to live in their house and still expect to live in peace and security is well beyond me to understand! They took a hardcore murdering religion that has zero respect for them and thier way of life, invite them in and let them work their magic! Now wake up to find their invited guests seek to destroy them---duh! Why did they think the scum came there in the first place? My point is the same thing is going on here in USA. THE PACE HAS BEEN EVER SO RAPIDLY ADVANCED BY OBAMA! ARE WE TO ALLOW DUMBASS ,GULLIBLE PEOPLE TO ENGINEER OUR DESTRUCTION!???? WE ALLOW THE MUSLIM PROPAGANDA MACHINE (CAIR) FULL PLAY HERE NOW. Our government and courts are full of sell outs. America is no more exempt from the ravages of the muslim scum than are China and Russia. Just look at the recent muslim attacks there which were almost unheard of when this thread was started 27 months ago--that's how rapid they are now moving because their man is now our PRESIDENT!! IRAN WILL GET ITS NUKES --OBAMA SAYS SO.. HIS NEW DEAL WITH IRAN IS TO BUY THEM TIME TO GET THIER NUKES BEFORE ISRAEL IGNORES HIS SORRY TRAITOROUS ASS AND STRIKES THEM ANYWAY. That means they must have them ready to go before he leaves office and thats why he has this new deal with Iran. A deal he negotiated leaving the Israelis completely out of it when its their nation threatened with the Iranian nukes first and foremost. I hope Israel tells that worm to go to hell and strikes IRAN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. OBAMA SHOULD BE IN PRISON RIGHT NOW FOR HIS DAMN TREASON. IF HE HAS NOT COMMITTED TREASON THEN SUCH A THING DOESNT EXIST!-TYR This is more validation of my stand taken. The great muslim ally Obama now running our military works his magic. -Tyr


http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...fdP_story.html
Repeating a mistake by downsizing the Army again
By Robert H. Scales, Published: January 5, 2012

Robert H. Scales, a retired Army major general, is a former commandant of the U.S. Army War College.

Here we go again. President Obama made the same mistake Thursday in announcing his new military strategy that virtually all of his predecessors have made since the end of World War II. He said:

“Moreover, we have to remember the lessons of history. We cannot afford to repeat the mistakes of the past — after World War II, after Vietnam — when our military was left ill-prepared for the future. As commander in chief, I will not let that happen again. Not on my watch.”


Unfortunately, Obama’s plan does exactly that. It forgets the lessons of history. Some facts: Harry Truman seeking to never repeat the costs of World War II reduced the Army from 8 million soldiers to fewer than half a million. Without the intervention of Congress, he would have eliminated the Marine Corps entirely. The result was the evisceration of both land services in Korea, a war Truman never intended to fight.

With Dwight Eisenhower came the “New Look” strategy that sought to reduce the Army and Marine Corps again to allow the creation of a nuclear delivery force built around the Strategic Air Command. Along came Vietnam, a war that Eisenhower, John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson never wanted to fight. But by 1970 our professional Army broke apart and was replaced by a body of amateurs. The result was defeat and 58,000 dead.

After Vietnam, the Nixon administration broke the Army again. I know. I was there to see the drug addiction, murders in the barracks and chronic indiscipline, caused mainly by a dispirited noncommissioned corps that voted with its feet and left. Then came Jimmy Carter’s unique form of neglect that led to the “hollow Army” of the late ’70s, an Army that failed so miserably in its attempt to rescue the American hostages in Iran.

The only exception to this very sad story was the Reagan years, when the land services received enough funding to equip and train themselves to fight so well in Operation Desert Storm. Then tragedy again as the Clinton administration reduced the ground services, intending to rely on “transformation,” a program that paid for more ships and planes by reducing the Army from 16 divisions to 10. In the George W. Bush administration, Donald Rumsfeld continued a policy that sought to exploit information technology to replace the human component in war. Had it not been for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the Army would have gone down to fewer than eight divisions.

So, here we go again. The Obama administration will reduce its long-service, professional land force to pay for something called “Air Sea Battle,” a strategy that seeks to buy more ships and planes in order to confront China with technology rather than people. This strategy shows a degree of a-historicism that exceeds that of any post-World War II administration. So much for remembering “the lessons of the past.”

Here’s what the lessons of the past 70 years really teach us: We cannot pick our enemies; our enemies will pick us. They will, as they have always done in the past, cede to us dominance in the air, on sea and in space because they do not have the ability to fight us there. Our enemies have observed us closely in Iraq and Afghanistan, and they have learned the lessons taught by Mao Zedong, Ho Chi Minh and Saddam Hussein: America’s greatest vulnerability is dead Americans. So our future enemy will seek to fight us on the ground, where we have traditionally been poorly prepared. His objective will be to win by not losing, to kill as an end rather than as a means to an end. And we will enter the next war again tragically short of the precious resource that we have neglected for six administrations: our soldiers and Marines.
Can you imagine the sheer stupidity of claiming to know that we will need more smaller special forces and not a larger force capable of handling a large enemy force both of which China and Russia represent? One does not get to choose!! The given excuse is coupled with the other claim that budget constraints force this decision. Well that to what extent it is true was engineered just to be used all along as I started pointing out years ago! Obama has five years to engineer this excuse and then go on ahead with his plan. I love being right about what the bastard will do but not the reality that he puts this nation in grave danger by succeeding with his treason! Remember this our nation downsized our military just prior to WW2 and now repeats a mistake that cost us ever so dearly in treasure and it many, many thousands more American lives lost! I predicted this was where the bambastard was heading all along and did so first months of his first term. I am not at that forum and have no great desire to say I told you so to them. Although still a member there I could easily do so but it serves no purpose. I say f-them just as I say f-Obama. They were fools just as he is a lying fool that serves as a puppet to do his masters biddings. So far when it comes to history , military and likely future actions I am lightyears ahead of most people. I was right about China too. -Tyr

[aboutime]

This is more validation of my stand taken. The great muslim ally Obama now running our military works his magic. -Tyr


Thanks Tyr. Guess you never bothered to read anything I brought here, and just repeated everything I have said many times.

But...it needed to be said, over, and over again.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Thanks Tyr. Guess you never bothered to read anything I brought here, and just repeated everything I have said many times.

But...it needed to be said, over, and over again. Truth can never be repeated too often . I make a point to read your posts amigo. Always have. The fact that we agree on so many things certainly pleases me. :beer:--Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Freedom of Speech as well as Freedom of the Press ARE surely beloved and much cherished rights of WE the people. Freedom of the press is vastly different than any of other liberties we as citizens have. It is insured to be an individual right as well as a public right. It does not apply only to a solitary citizen's right to express ideas and publish those thoughts for others to consider but also includes the right of public media and institutions to present political views regardless of their content being satisfactory to the reigning powers(Federal government)!!!

A free press is a necessary block in the foundation of this nation and its Constitutional spirit. Our culture has advanced and remained free enough to give freedom to other nations because our freedom of speech and the existence of a free press insured our survival as we transformed from a small nation into the greatest super power the world has ever known!!

Over the last decade we have seen a radical change in what was once known to be a "free press" as it was beaten into a weapon to serve the interests of one political party. With this change came corruption and destruction of truth like no other time in our nation's history. Timed perfectly to give rise to an outside emerging powerful force that now seeks our destruction.

Question is , will we ever see the truth or will we continue to help in our own destruction? Currently we seem to be rushing about franticly helping in our own destruction while appeasing those that seek to destroy us. Surely if we fail to see this great folly soon enough we will perish as a sovereign nation.

Have we already passed that point? I think there is a very slim window of opportunity in which we could reverse the course we are on. However as that rapidly closes we that see what's happening must unite and dedicate our lives to stopping the planned destruction. Even should it mean the ultimate sacrifice has to be paid. -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Freedom of Speech as well as Freedom of the Press ARE surely beloved and much cherished rights of WE the people. Freedom of the press is vastly different than any of other liberties we as citizens have. It is insured to be an individual right as well as a public right. It does not apply only to a solitary citizen's right to express ideas and publish those thoughts for others to consider but also includes the right of public media and institutions to present political views regardless of their content being satisfactory to the reigning powers(Federal government)!!!

A free press is a necessary block in the foundation of this nation and its Constitutional spirit. Our culture has advanced and remained free enough to give freedom to other nations because our freedom of speech and the existence of a free press insured our survival as we transformed from a small nation into the greatest super power the world has ever known!!

Over the last decade we have seen a radical change in what was once known to be a "free press" as it was beaten into a weapon to serve the interests of one political party. With this change came corruption and destruction of truth like no other time in our nation's history. Timed perfectly to give rise to an outside emerging powerful force that now seeks our destruction.

Question is , will we ever see the truth or will we continue to help in our own destruction? Currently we seem to be rushing about franticly helping in our own destruction while appeasing those that seek to destroy us. Surely if we fail to see this great folly soon enough we will perish as a sovereign nation.

Have we already passed that point? I think there is a very slim window of opportunity in which we could reverse the course we are on. However as that rapidly closes we that see what's happening must unite and dedicate our lives to stopping the planned destruction. Even should it mean the ultimate sacrifice has to be paid. -Tyr


Strange that we get no replies from the critics of this conservative and patriotic message. Have they all slimed off back underneath their cozy little rocks!?? I seriously doubt that but perhaps the fear of being exposed now that did not exist previously here has them cowardly hiding. I know a few eventually got themselves tossed but the clever ones made no such mistake. With the field left so shamelessly unchallenged I claim utter victory for truth , justice and the American way! :laugh: Tyr

[aboutime]

Strange that we get no replies from the critics of this conservative and patriotic message. Have they all slimed off back underneath their cozy little rocks!?? I seriously doubt that but perhaps the fear of being exposed now that did not exist previously here has them cowardly hiding. I know a few eventually got themselves tossed but the clever ones made no such mistake. With the field left so shamelessly unchallenged I claim utter victory for truth , justice and the American way! :laugh: Tyr


Tyr. As I suspect Obama, and the Dems have planned, and hoped for...They seem to depend on Americans NOT being willing to commit themselves to RUFFLING FEATHERS, or they Just feel THERE IS NOTHING THEY CAN DO.

We both know how desperately Under-educated, and how little REAL knowledge about what is taking place today...Most Americans suffer.
Like entertainment...which is far more interesting than FREEDOM, RIGHTS, and LIBERTY...Most Americans always assume....cannot be taken away from them. Across the board of our more than 310 Million Americans. I seriously believe less than ONE PERCENT of them are like YOU, or ME. Concerned about politics, or what my father always called "FIGHTING CITY HALL".
The almighty dollar, and instant gratification, entertainment, a nice cold beer, and "I DON'T GET INVOLVED" seem to be the standard CRY of present day Americans.

They only pay attention...AFTER THE FACT. When they ask "WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?"

[Jeff]

Yes it is time to hear " ooo man I am tired of seeing this trash posted, it must be made up " ....ect


Y'all know what I am tired of, it is the excuses I hear for these animals , the religion of piece my ass, yet another story showing how peaceful these animals are, and yes I realize they aren't real Muslims :rolleyes: but just in case I will keep posting about these animals and hope all realize what they are before it is your turn to loose a head.



The “religion of peace” knows no bounds. Islam’s reign of terror throughout north and central Africa continues as yet another disturbing story escapes the Dark Continent to teach us the truth about Islam.In Southern Somalia members of the Al-Shabaab terrorists (close allies of Al-Qaeda) recently took the time to show their community, and the world, what Islam does to Christians (http://morningstarnews.org/2014/03/islamic-extremists-in-somalia-behead-two-christians/). Local leaders arrested two people who they believed to be Christians for the crime of… being Christians. 41-year-old mother, Sadia Ali Omar, and her 35-year-old cousin, Osman Mohamoud Moge were arrested by the local al-Shabaab militants, and brought to the town center along with Ms. Omar’s two daughters.


http://eaglerising.com/5190/muslim-extremists-force-christian-girls-watch-mother-beheaded/

[Gunny]

Strange that we get no replies from the critics of this conservative and patriotic message. Have they all slimed off back underneath their cozy little rocks!?? I seriously doubt that but perhaps the fear of being exposed now that did not exist previously here has them cowardly hiding. I know a few eventually got themselves tossed but the clever ones made no such mistake. With the field left so shamelessly unchallenged I claim utter victory for truth , justice and the American way! :laugh: Tyr

Now let's dance. You like to talk all kinds of crap because you hope the majority you prattle to hasn't been to that sandbox you dust-devils love to fuss over?

Expalin your religion to me where it says you can build an IED in the road and one of my Marines can't even spell it anymore. Better yet, explain it to his daughter. Tell her how your religion says that's okay. I'm sure she'll understand.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Yes it is time to hear " ooo man I am tired of seeing this trash posted, it must be made up " ....ect


Y'all know what I am tired of, it is the excuses I hear for these animals , the religion of piece my ass, yet another story showing how peaceful these animals are, and yes I realize they aren't real Muslims :rolleyes: but just in case I will keep posting about these animals and hope all realize what they are before it is your turn to loose a head.




http://eaglerising.com/5190/muslim-extremists-force-christian-girls-watch-mother-beheaded/

Link is a good one and highlights the truth. All it takes is for people to open their eyes and choose to finally see. -Tyr

[Jeff]

Link is a good one and highlights the truth. All it takes is for people to open their eyes and choose to finally see. -Tyr


Yes Tyr I made sure this wasn't any of the "FAKE " Muslims :laugh:

[Jeff]

Here is another example of how peaceful the religion of peace is. Yes many of these stories all seem so much a like why post them, it's simple until everyone see's exactly what this so called religion of peace really is those of us that do see it need to keep warning those that don't and at that point if those that don't still refuse to see the FACTS then I ( and all who care ) have done everything we can.



The fascist gay lobby and its liberal protectors are constantly decrying the evil bigotry of Christianity while never speaking against the actual evil actions committed by Islam against the gay community. Another example has recently taken place, but again, because it doesn’t fit their liberal anti-Christian narrative, the left is silent… but conservatives are not.An evil Muslim man has likely murdered (http://libertyunyielding.com/2014/03/16/41162/) his daughter for the crime of homosexuality. His daughter was a lesbian, and her lifestyle had dishonored his family. Police believe that 46-year-old James Larry Cosby murdered his daughter Britney and her girlfriend Crystal Jackson, both 24 years old, before dumping their bodies like garbage.



http://eaglerising.com/5196/muslim-father-murders-lesbian-daughter-girlfriend-christian-family-murdered-girl-forgives-killer/

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Now let's dance. You like to talk all kinds of crap because you hope the majority you prattle to hasn't been to that sandbox you dust-devils love to fuss over?

Expalin your religion to me where it says you can build an IED in the road and one of my Marines can't even spell it anymore. Better yet, explain it to his daughter. Tell her how your religion says that's okay. I'm sure she'll understand. You sir , obviously have me confused with some muslim terrorist type scum. My religion is Christianity , I am a Southern American born and bred and my stand is to defend my family first, this nation and our Constitution. All of which I openly talk about come hell or high water. :salute:

The religion you just spoke of is our enemy and we had best get off our collective dumb asses to properly address the worldwide campaign of murder it wages. -Tyr

[aboutime]

You sir , obviously have me confused with some muslim terrorist type scum. My religion is Christianity , I am a Southern American born and bred and my stand is to defend my family first, this nation and our Constitution. All of which I openly talk about come hell or high water. :salute:

The religion you just spoke of is our enemy and we had best get off our collective dumb asses to properly address the worldwide campaign of murder it wages. -Tyr


GUNNY. I suspect You have miss-directed your message above to the absolute...wrong member here. Nothing could be further from the truth about Tyr-Ziu Saxnot.
Honestly. Check back and see who you SHOULD have been addressing.
Tyr is LIKE YOU, and ME. Really...He is.

[Drummond]

You sir , obviously have me confused with some muslim terrorist type scum. My religion is Christianity , I am a Southern American born and bred and my stand is to defend my family first, this nation and our Constitution. All of which I openly talk about come hell or high water. :salute:

The religion you just spoke of is our enemy and we had best get off our collective dumb asses to properly address the worldwide campaign of murder it wages. -Tyr:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Well said !

Gunny, I respect where you're coming from. But here, you've made a mistake. Tyr is exactly as he describes himself ... and I'd have thought that both you and he have a great deal in common.

Check out his many posts. I'm sure you'll like what you see. Indeed .. he does a lot to highlight the murderous barbarity Islam is responsible for, on one particular thread which catalogues all they get up to, worldwide.

I only wish that more of my own countrymen (I'm British, posting from the UK) had his mindset ... we'd stop the Islamic incursion here in its tracks if they did.

[Drummond]

GUNNY. I suspect You have miss-directed your message above to the absolute...wrong member here. Nothing could be further from the truth about Tyr-Ziu Saxnot.
Honestly. Check back and see who you SHOULD have been addressing.
Tyr is LIKE YOU, and ME. Really...He is.:clap::clap::clap:

We obviously had the same thought at the same time !!! Well said, Aboutime.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

:clap::clap::clap:

We obviously had the same thought at the same time !!! Well said, Aboutime.

Much appreciated guys. No problem as my name likely made him think I might be Arab. It's definitely not an American name. ;) Who has never made a mistake? I wish I had a dollar for each and every one I've made in my life... -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

https://www.catholic.org/news/international/americas/story.php?id=48280

Islamic terrorists from Mexico infiltrating U.S. for next attack


Terrorists are using Mexico as a staging area and entry point into the US for terrorist attacks. Representative Sue Myrick (R - NC) is asking the Obama administration to investigate the apparent problem.

LOS ANGELES, CA (Catholic Online) - Terrorists with ties to Hezbollah and Iran are infiltrating Lebanese communities in Mexico, hoping to blend into the population there. Teaming up with the all-too powerful drug cartels, terrorists are having themselves smuggled into the US in exchange for money and weapons which fuel cartel violence in Mexico.
The ties are blatant. Earlier this year, an Iranian operative was arrested for plotting to assassinate a Saudi Arabian diplomat in Washington. The would-be killer had hired Mexican cartel assassins to assist him. He was only one of several people who have been arrested both in the US and Mexico with ties to Iran and Hezbollah.

Despite obvious connections like these, Myrick says the Department of Homeland Security still refuses to properly investigate the matter.

That Hezbollah is working to establish secret bases of support in Mexico and South America is no secret. In 2010, the Tucson Police Department even issued a brief on the groups and the threat they pose to local security.

Mexican drug cartels are routinely busted with high-powered weapons including assault rifles and rocket launchers that have passed through the Middle East. The weapons are coming from somewhere, and that somewhere appears to be Lebanon and Iran.

In 2009, a Mexican newspaper, "The Diario de Quintnna Roo" even published a report that Hezbollah cells were using drug trafficking routes to reach the US.

What this means is that terrorists are staging themselves in Mexico, pairing with the cartels, and in exchange for guns and money, are being smuggled into the US with drug shipments.

While the drugs are dangerous and should also be stopped, they are consumed by choice and primarily harm users. However, the terrorists that are hitching rides with the shipments are a danger to all because they attack indiscriminately.

Perhaps most dangerous of all is the reluctance of the Department of Homeland Security to investigate the matter fully and to strengthen our borders.

Unfortunately, border security is a hot-button campaign issue and neither candidate can afford to alienate voters who are opposed to increased border enforcement. Many of those voters see border enforcement as a race-based issue and one that can directly affect the lives of their loved ones.

Many voters do not realize that the issue of border security is also a matter of national security and that the next successful terrorist attack on American soil may very well have a Mexican connection. If that happens, there's no telling how the government and the citizens of the US may react.




Perhaps most dangerous of all is the reluctance of the Department of Homeland Security to investigate the matter fully and to strengthen our borders.
^^^ This points to our government deliberately allowing avenues of attacks upon this nation!! Americans should be asking why! The answer is obvious to we that are not ignorant, blind, sheeple or "higher educationally enlightened"(progressively dumbed down")..-Tyr

[aboutime]

^^^ This points to our government deliberately allowing avenues of attacks upon this nation!! Americans should be asking why! The answer is obvious to we that are not ignorant, blind, sheeple or "higher educationally enlightened"(progressively dumbed down")..-Tyr


Tyr. Anyone who asks the Obama administration to check into ANYTHING should know.

That's never gonna happen. At least. Not as long as Holder and Obama have their hands in EACH OTHER'S POCKETS for entertainment purposes they call RACIAL grasping.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Tyr. Anyone who asks the Obama administration to check into ANYTHING should know.

That's never gonna happen. At least. Not as long as Holder and Obama have their hands in EACH OTHER'S POCKETS for entertainment purposes they call RACIAL grasping.

How DAMN right you are!!!!!!!
I make no requests of the treasonous bastards. I warn Americans of what they are doing and its the truth. He who ignores such warnings is a fool IMHO.. --Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/01/iranian-commander-we-have-targets-within-america/

Iranian commander: We have targets within America


A top commander of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards boasted Saturday that his forces have plans in place to attack the United States from within, should the U.S. attack the Islamic Republic.

“America, with its strategic ignorance, does not have a full understanding of the power of the Islamic Republic,” Brig. Gen. Hossein Salami said in a televised interview. “We have recognized America’s military strategy, and have arranged our abilities, and have identified centers in America [for attack] that will create a shock.”

Reports indicate that terrorist Hezbollah forces — allies of Iran — have infiltrated the U.S. and have mapped out targets.

“We will conduct such a blow in which they [America] will be destroyed from within,” Salami said.

This is the second warning by a high-ranking officer of the Guards in two weeks. The chief commander of the Guards, Maj. Gen. Mohammad Jafari, addressing Secretary of State John Kerry, said on Jan. 24 that a direct conflict with America is the “strongest dream of the faithful and revolutionary men around the world.”

Kerry had previously said that if Iran did not live up to the agreement reached in Geneva on its nuclear program, “all options are on the table.”

“Your threats to revolutionary Islam are the best opportunity,” Jafari had said. “Muslim leaders for years have been preparing us for a decisive battle.… Do you know how many thousands of revolutionary Muslims at the heart of the Islamic revolutionary groups around the world are awaiting for you to take this [military] option from the table into action?”

Gen. Salami went further, saying the Revolutionary Guards have taken into consideration America’s military ability and different scenarios under which the U.S. could attack Iran via a limited missile or air strike, or even a ground attack.


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/01/iranian-commander-we-have-targets-within-america/#ixzz30c1ekn7j


Do not ever think that the Iranians are the only ones with hidden cell groups in our country.

Hezbolo's, Hamas and others have such hidden cell groups here too.
And all these terrorists groups have one link in common== Islam!!! That is what obama/dem/lib and leftists try to keep hidden.-Tyr
They seek to keep their allies safe until needed!!

[aboutime]

Do not ever think that the Iranians are the only ones with hidden cell groups in our country.

Hezbolo's, Hamas and others have such hidden cell groups here too.
And all these terrorists groups have one link in common== Islam!!! That is what obama/dem/lib and leftists try to keep hidden.-Tyr
They seek to keep their allies safe until needed!!


Tyr. I constantly wonder WHY...it seems NOBODY is really taking this kind of stuff seriously?

Are our Fellow Americans SO SCARED of being labeled as RACISTS, and Home Grown Terrorists...they ignore, or simply look the other way when presented with REAL FACTS...like you have been presenting on this thread?

And I seriously wonder why...after so many times. I have posted this photo.
So few of us here actually believe it is possible??
Namely...http://icansayit.com/images/Musbrohoodmem.jpg

It's not a joke, or a fabricated story. Obama has appointed the men shown above. And ALL of them are known Muslim Brotherhood sympathizers.
My apologies to anyone who thinks this is just another Conspiracy Theory. To all of you who are still convinced George W. Bush planned 9-11.

[jafar00]

Tyr. I constantly wonder WHY...it seems NOBODY is really taking this kind of stuff seriously?

Are our Fellow Americans SO SCARED of being labeled as RACISTS, and Home Grown Terrorists...they ignore, or simply look the other way when presented with REAL FACTS...like you have been presenting on this thread?

And I seriously wonder why...after so many times. I have posted this photo.
So few of us here actually believe it is possible??
Namely...http://icansayit.com/images/Musbrohoodmem.jpg

It's not a joke, or a fabricated story. Obama has appointed the men shown above. And ALL of them are known Muslim Brotherhood sympathizers.
My apologies to anyone who thinks this is just another Conspiracy Theory. To all of you who are still convinced George W. Bush planned 9-11.



<tbody>
Summary of the eRumor:
This is a forwarded email with the title of "White House Staff" or "New In The White House" that alleges that six American Islamist Activists who work with the Obama Administration are Muslim Brotherhood operatives influencing American policies.








<center></center>The Truth:
This eRumor is an unproven conspiracy theory.

The first member on the list is Arif Alikhan, who has been serving in the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) since 2006. His first appointment was Deputy Mayor for Homeland Security and Public Safety for the city of Los Angeles. Alikhan is a first generation American and his parents immigrated from Pakistan. One of his primary tasks over the years has been to educate our government and military on the culture and mindset of the terrorists that that the U.S. has been fighting since it began the War on Terror. In 2009, DHS head Janet Napolitano appointed Alikhan Assistant Secretary for Policy Development.

Imam Mohamed Magid naturalized citizen who immigrated to the United States from the Sudan in 1987. In 2011 President Barack Obama appointed Magid to serve in a Countering Violent Extremism Working Group with the DHS. On January 22, 2013 Magid took part in the inaugural ceremonies of President Obama but the White House has no Sharia Czar, a title given to Iman Magid by critics of the Obama Administration.

Mohamed Elibiary is an advisor to the Department of Homeland Security. Out of this list he probably is the most controversial. According to a November 9, 2011 CBN News article, Elibiary spoke at a Texas conference in 2004 and honored Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini as a "great Islamic visionary." Elibiary is a member of the Department of Homeland Security's Advisory Council. He was granted access to a nationwide database that contained terror watch lists and sensitive FBI reports, which he was accused of leaking portions of the documents to the media in order to spread charges of "Islamophobia" within Governor Rick Perry's Texas government.

Eboo Patel came to the United States as a child when his parents immigrated from Mumbai, India. Patel serves on President Barack Obama's inaugural Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships. As a child Patel lived in Glen Ellyn, Illinois where he attended Glenbard South High School and went on to University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and earned a degree in Sociology. He is a Rhodes Scholar and earned his doctorate in Sociology at Oxford. While attending Oxford Patel oversaw a number of interfaith youth projects in India, Sri Lanka, and South Africa.

Rashad Hussain is a first generation American of parents who immigrated to the U.S. from India. He was born in Wyoming, raised in Plano, Texas and is a graduate of the Greenhill School in Dallas. Hussain later attended the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill where he earned his bachelor’s degrees in both philosophy and political science. In 2009 he was a trial attorney for the U.S. Department of Justice and served as an Associate Counsel to the Obama Presidential Transition Team. On February 13, 2010 President Obama appointed Hussain as the United States Special Envoy to the Organization of Islamic Cooperation. He was awarded In January 2013 the Distinguished Honor Award for "exceptionally outstanding service to the agencies of the U.S. Government resulting in achievements of marked national or international significance." Hussain is an advocate for the protection of religious minorities in Muslim-majority countries.

Salam al-Marayati was born in Bagdad, Iraq and at the age of 4 his family immigrated to the U.S. He became a naturalized citizen and earned a bachelors of science degree in Bio-Chemistry from the University of California Los Angeles. According to his bio (http://www.islamicity.com/mpac/salam_al-marayati.shtm) Al-Marayati is one of the founders of the Muslim Public Affairs Council and is currently the director of the organization. Al-Marayati has been a member of the Executive Committee of the California Democratic Party. His political experience stems back to 1992 where he was a delegate at the 1992 and 1996 Democratic National Convention. He is a writer for the Islamic magazine, The Minaret, and has covered Republican conventions as a reporter. In 2012 al-Marayati was appointed by the President to the U..S. delegation to the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe forum in Poland. This raised many concerns from critics of the Obama administration because al-Marayati is an "outspoken critic of Israel who once said the Jewish state should be added to the list of 9/11 terror suspects." This according to an October 17, 2012 article by Fox News. (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/17/watchdogs-oppose-appointment-israel-critic-al-marayati-to-us-delegation/)


Posted 05/08/13






A real example of the eRumor as it has appeared on the Internet:


Look who's New in the White House!
<center>http://www.truthorfiction.com/images/white-house-staff.jpg</center>Arif Alikhan - Assistant Secretary for Policy Development for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security
Mohammed Elibiary - Homeland Security Adviser
Rashad Hussain - Special Envoy to the (OIC) Organization of the Islamic Conference
Salam al-Marayati - Obama Adviser –founder Muslim Public Affairs Council and its current executive director
Imam Mohamed Magid - Obama's Sharia Czar – Islamic Society of North America
Eboo Patel - Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships

This is flat out scary!!!!
The foxes are now living in the hen house...
Now ask me why I am concerned!!!


</tbody>

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/m/muslim-brotherhood-in-white-house-050813.htm#.U2WC7_mSzuM

Don't you have more important things to worry about?

[aboutime]

jafar. You're not even a good propagandist. Defending the Muslim Brotherhood is so Obama-like, of you.


Truthorfiction is on the borderline about their accuracy. Much like Snopes has been proven inaccurate.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

jafar. You're not even a good propagandist. Defending the Muslim Brotherhood is so Obama-like, of you.


Truthorfiction is on the borderline about their accuracy. Much like Snopes has been proven inaccurate.

When the Muslim Brotherhood took power in Egypt Obama rushed 2 billion dollars to them!!
And started plans to give them over a few billion dollars in advanced weaponry.
Jafar likes to pretend the muslim in hiding currently infesting the Whitehouse is a Christian. However , should Jafar really believed that to be true he would not bust ass defending Obama like he so often does.
Smoke and mirrors folks. Jafar has them by the room full IMHO..-Tyr

[aboutime]

When the Muslim Brotherhood took power in Egypt Obama rushed 2 billion dollars to them!!
And started plans to give them over a few billion dollars in advanced weaponry.
Jafar likes to pretend the muslim in hiding currently infesting the Whitehouse is a Christian. However , should Jafar really believed that to be true he would not bust ass defending Obama like he so often does.
Smoke and mirrors folks. Jafar has them by the room full IMHO..-Tyr


Tyr. The one, dependable, honest fact about jafar is. There is no way possible for him to ever change what IS....THE TRUTH.

Propagandists must always be aware, and remember what their last set of lies were in order to sound convincing. But when you always TELL THE TRUTH. There is nothing that needs to be remembered. IT JUST ..... IS.

[Yeah Nope]

Are you suggesting that American muslims take an oath of loyalty to America ?

I don't believe he is suggesting that.
I believe he indicating that either:
1.) You chose to live in the US because you believe in this country, believe in what has to offer, what The Constitution represents and therefore should act accordingly.
OR
2.) You chose to live here in an effort to subvert, convert, or destroy this nation, and therefore should be treated accordingly.

Currently there is pressure from the highest levels of the government to treat both groups the same, with labels of "racist" or "islamophobe" being tacked onto anyone that points out the batshit insanity of that stance. There are far too many muslims and muslim groups in the US that chant "Religion of Peace" ad nauseum in the media, yet are funded, supply funding, have ties to, or openly support terrorist groups.</SPAN>

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Thanks.
Dilloduck is long gone but its true he was indeed very wrong.
We can not let hurt feelings (theirs) force us to cower and be lead to the slaughter like blind sheep!
I authored this very long thread over 3 years ago and it's only gotten far worse since that time!-Tyr

[Jeff]

A new way of recruiting I guess :dunno:

Yes just kidnap people and make them believe the way you do, yup sounds like a peaceful religion to me :confused:




(CNN) -- The girls sit quietly on the ground, dressed in traditional Islamic garb, barely moving, clearly scared.
"Praise be to Allah, the lord of the world," they chant.
The video, released by French news agency Agence France-Presse, purports to show about 100 of the 276 girls kidnapped by Boko Haram (http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/17/world/africa/boko-haram-explainer/index.html) fighters nearly a month ago. It's the first time they've been seen since their abduction April 14.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/12/world/africa/nigeria-abducted-girls/

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

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Our society is composed of liars. And we love it



"...then you will experience for yourselves the truth, and the truth will free you." John 8:32b (TheMessage)

I live within a society of liars and you live here beside me because outwardly, honesty is a virtue to the masses but secretly or not-so-secretly honesty is feared, loathed, rebuked, and forbidden.

From the elected leaders of our nation - our society, really - and their blatant unrepentant lies to the lies we spoon-feed our children, lying is an art form and lying is a skill sharpened upon the grinding wheel of immediate feelings of goodness. That is to say, we grind away truth and we sharpen our lies because sharp lies cut easier and neater and with less resistance than blunt, heavy truths (see famous lies: "GWB said we invaded Iraq 'because' Iraq had WMD!" see also: "Sarah Palin said she can see Russia from her house!" - both never happened, but the masses - our society - do not care).

We lie politically -

Most recently our elected President lied dozens of times to the American people regarding their health care. The nature of his lie is well-documented and I have less of a problem with his lying (Saying people can keep their doctor and their insurance if they (simply) WANT to keep it) AND less of a problem with his follow-on lie ('...I meant they can keep those IF the federal government decides the health care insurance people want is GOOD enough'. Stop lying. You know you are lying. You know the REAL answer is "Uh, Americans? I'm sorry. I am a chucklehead and spoke out of my ass without having read nor studied the law") but the thrust of my frustration aims squarely at the American people. By enough of a majority the American people are content with the President's lying. By enough of a majority the American people are letting that lie slide to their feet. Perhaps the ugly truth scares the lazy, uniformed masses. I would like to see a survey of 1000 Americans asking which group they claim to hate worse - the KKK or Congress. I would hedge my bet if asked - without naming the KKK specifically, and only describing some of the KKK beliefs - would pick 'congress' as a named-group they hate worse. Politicians lie because lying is a learned behaviour; lying is a means to an end. I do not believe every politician is power hungry and up to no good - moreover I believe politicians want to change the fabric of society so tell people what that specific audience wants to hear in an effort to get their votes.

There again are the liars. Nobody with enough votes 'hates' congress, because 'congress' is STILL there, congressing. When I speak to people who either have no stomach to choose a side or simply want the appearance of open-minded free thought and they tell me 'ALL politicians are terrible/lie/should be fired/pay cut/etc' I chuckle inside before I cry a little bit inside. The problem - the disease - is NOT our congressional representatives nor our President because the problem rests solely up on the collective shoulders of those doing the voting. Solely upon collective - that's a weird twist of words but my point stands. Our elected liars are doing their lying at the behest of our citizenry. The voting members of our society elect liars based on the lies-told them and they love it. A popular lie is the concept of 'throwing money' at a problem. For instance, some public schools 'fund raise' to save essential education elements like bands, and the arts. People campaign under slogans such as 'Lets increase our taxes to pay for band because band is important!". The lie happens when school districts - elected officials - tell the population they 'must' cut band because they lack revenue to support band all-the-while supporting absolutely bullshit teachers and teaching methods. Raising taxes will not save band. Raising taxes will only force those who may not wish to pay for band in school to in fact pay for band in school - until an elected representative decides for whatever reason the new amount of money is not sufficient. Lies wrapped in misleading statistics, finances, and capability. Another example is when politicians shamelessly pander to those of a certain point of view, and those holding that view are not smart enough to overlook hyperbole and gross simplification. Let's pretend a reprehensible representative exists; we'll call her Pancy Nelosi. Now, Nelosi introduces a law calling for expiration of 5th amendment rights (just for the sake of argument) AND for $100.00 (total, across the nation) to be given to poor kids. When another representative - let's call her Bichele Machmann - opposes the bill, Nelosi will immediately start crying to the lie-lovers "LOOK! Machmann has a WAR ON KIDS! Machmann is BLOCKING the bill supporting Poor kids!! She obviously is a Pedophobe!"

What happens? Our society is so-conditioned to love the lies dumb people start letter-writing campaigns and sit-ins and big-labor gets involved and eventually Machmann either apologizes and shuts-up-and-colours or she's voted out.


We lie socially -

From the elements that brought us the question 'does my butt look big in these pants?' flows undercurrents of socially-mandated lying. We tell our kids they can be ANYTHING they want in life. We tell our servers at restaurants 'Everything tastes great!' - we tell the cop we did not know how fast we were going. We tell our lover "that was FANTASTIC!".

With refusing honesty we betray the intent of, and disrespect relationships. Perhaps the lies keep us from facing certain unpleasant facts - perhaps we are unsatisfied with our relationships, our childhood, and our food to have crucial conversations with those around us. The fear of conflict drives the lie as I do my mate the disservice of dishonesty about her choice of jeans, about blocking my kids from realities of life, and the 'next' customer as he or she suffers through a terrible dinner.

My lover and my friends deserve honesty when asking for my honest opinion. Tact rules the day but honesty rules a lifetime. "Honey, maybe we see if we can find more complimentary jeans?" "Daughter, the dreams you have now will likely change before you are old enough or motivated enough to pursue those goals. If the dreams do not happen rest-assured other dreams will take their place. Further, nothing will be granted or gifted. If you want to BE special, you have to DO special things" "Officer, I was going 53 and I know the speed limit was 40. I have no excuse other than my own selfishness and thinking I would not get caught". "Honey, I enjoy being with you except I am eager to get to know other sides of you; maybe we consider...."; "Kids, No - Santa is not real but we do not need Santa. Santa is a great idea and the entire point of Christmas is to spend time with those you love; and share in goodness. Some of that involves gifts - but I will never reward you for 'being good' - in fact, I will train to you accept 'being good' as its own reward. When your mother and I gift to you we gift to you with the full appreciation of who you are as a person and the goodness you bring to our lives. We do not need a mythical Santa or the mythical date of Christ's birth to show love like this. Santa is good. Christ is better. Neither is the purpose for Christmas because the love we share is the purpose."

We lie in media. We see models who are not real but offer a glimmer of what could be if we purchased the product they pretend to use. Media is not the problem - the problem is people - you and me - society - responds to those advertisements. Human f'ing nature. We love the lie we are buying and we sleep at night holding-fast to the magic lying beans, dead-set they will grow our world to new heights and leave us with treasures. Only monsters appear and we buy-again knowing THIS time everything will work out.

We lie in our courts. People sue for the sake of settling out of court because they do something stupid and decide they are not at fault for tripping over a curb but the person who made the concrete and the person who installed the curb is liable financially because they "Should have known" people can trip over themselves.

We lie to ourselves. We play the victim because its easier to be the victim than the savior. The savior is not lazy and the savior is not taking time to 'relax' or go on the umpteenth vacation this year and the savior makes the hard decisions so we do not have to. Because we are victims.

Alas, there is no hope beyond a short life as human nature is what it is and gets only worse over each generation. We have power only to govern ourselves and shake ourselves awake from the matrix we call real-life. We must slap ourselves back to consciousness and return to fear of tyranny because the fear of tyranny might be life-saving. I read something like 3% of the population of the colonies actively battled for freedom, with maybe another 10% semi-actively or in supporting roles working for liberty.

Our self-made government system is the new England and our kings - however elected - will continue to press down upon the neck of the people all the while telling them to 'trust us...' because it's for our own good. And society will not struggle - struggling is hard work. We will let the death of libery wash over us until it becomes the new normal. Welcome, friends, to Fascism. Welcome to Communist China. Welcome to The New USA.

A welcome edition here. Brilliant truth always is.. Thanks given gratefully to the author!--Tyr


I saw this reality coming well over 30 years ago and its now arrived. A truly brilliant write my friend.
I will now copy this to place with thanks into my thread titled --I Take My Stand ..
Thanks for the gift. -Tyr

[Jeff]

I have seen this video before but it is worth watching a second time. These animals come to a country and decide they will live by the laws they want, as I watched this video all I could think of was being back in a 80' long truck and down shifting as I rid the world of some trash !!



http://conservativevideos.com/2014/05/girl-returns-home-town-invaded-aggressive-muslims/

[aboutime]

I have seen this video before but it is worth watching a second time. These animals come to a country and decide they will live by the laws they want, as I watched this video all I could think of was being back in a 80' long truck and down shifting as I rid the world of some trash !!



http://conservativevideos.com/2014/05/girl-returns-home-town-invaded-aggressive-muslims/


Jeff. Let's ask jafar how he feels about HIS religious beliefs. Such as those voiced in the video that DEMAND You, and I, and every Non-Muslim on Earth should go to Hell???

Let's hear it jafar. Either you believe, and follow what you claim, or you are just another hypocrite, pretending to be different..to speed up your false Prophet, Propaganda.

Time to MAN UP jafar.
Are you capable?