Edwards charges $55,000 to speak to UC Davis students about poverty

[Baron Von Esslingen]

I think any candidate Republican or Democrat that speaks at any School or University should not charge money, that is not right. I could understand for maybe the travel expense and hotel and food, but nothing else.

Go back and read the story: HE WASN'T A CANDIDATE AT THE TIME OF THIS SPEECH.

Your complaint may apply NOW but it certainly did not apply in this instance.

[Birdzeye]

Did you read a transcript of the speech he gave, Yurt? Are you so cocksure that Edwards' speech was about "how to get out of poverty"? If you believe, that you are wrong. Here is the news article about the speech right after it was given. Note the frequent references to poverty and how to "get out of it."



Apparently, someone wanted to make a big hullabaloo about Edwards taking a fee to speak to a college. Somehow, some moron got it in his mind that if you want to speak about the subject of poverty that you have to accept poverty wages or you are a hypocrite. What Bullshit.

First, the guy wasn't a political candidate and he has the right to ask for whatever kind of fee he wants. Rudy does and no one bats an eye. Maybe because Rudy doesn't give a flying fuck about helping impoverished Americans that he doesn't get slapped down for his fees or get called a hypocrite.

Second, the speech was a wide ranging speech that focused more on issues of the day and not "how to get out of poverty."

Third, was what he did illegal? No. UC Davis would not have paid for him to come and speak if they did not think he was worth it.

This is just more hyperbole, sound and fury signifying nothing.

You're right, Baron. Edwards spoke about more than just poverty. The stink being made by rightwingers is simply a fraudulent non-issue.

[Baron Von Esslingen]

Funny how this kind of crap keeps cropping up in a supposedly "Liberal Media" don'cha think?

[loosecannon]

Funny how this kind of crap keeps cropping up in a supposedly "Liberal Media" don'cha think?

BLAM!!!

[Yurt]

What I want is a country where working class folks don't have to work two jobs just to live in a decent neighborhood.

What I want is a country where working class folks can have affordable health care.

What I want is a country where working class folks' children can go to schools that teach a subject completely and thoroughly and not a school where they teach to the test.

What I want is a country where working class folks don't have to bear the brunt of the tax base while multimillion corporations pay no taxes and businesses that offshore their jobs are rewarded.

What I want is a country where working class folks can vote for congressmen to end a war and they do whatever they can to achieve that end.

What I want is a country where poor folks have more opportunity to better themselves thru education and employment.

What I want is a country where poor folks are not harassed when they try to vote.

What I want is a country where all the folks share in the bounty and blessings of America, not just the richest 1%.

I see that happening with an Edwards presidency. I don't see it happening with any of the Republicans running. You may be tired and that's understandable after six years of the worst president ever. I see a brighter day ahead. 606 days of misery to go.

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[Yurt]

The irony here is all on Rudy's part because he doesn't have a fucking clue about how to get people out of poverty. If you are charging $55k, I wouldn't bother showing up and the University has REALLY wasted its money.

Well, on second thought if Rudy is charging $100k, then it's fraud, for the forementioned reason.

Another non answer by libs. I have had responses to my "example" but no actual answer. Evading, running, scared..... *gasps* in surprise.

You attack Rudy, a logical fallacy, instead of actually answering my question. It is quite clear on this board who certain posters are that attack and insult rather than reply. Will say though, one seems to be answering more now though.... Why don't you bother answering the question instead of giving me hyperbole drivel that has nothing to do with my post?

Much appreciated Baron.

will use my example again:

I will charge you $55,000 to tell you how to get out of poverty

Rudy will charge you $100,000 to tell you how to get out of poverty


Are you really telling me that there is NO irony in my offer of $55,000?

Thanks

[nevadamedic]

Again with people having trouble following the point.

(shrug).

[nevadamedic]

Let me see if I can explain this in a way you can understand.

First off, let's start with the old adage, "Actions speak louder than words." Now that we have that out of the way, let's examine what Edwards is doing.

Edwards has taken it upon himself to cure poverty. Now, he could do like many churches and philothropists do and give away even small chunks of his MASSIVE fortune (which, by the way, he got by falsely accusing doctors of being the sole cause of cerebral palsey) to things like homeless shelters and soup kitchens. Instead, he spends his MASSIVE fortune on MASSIVE houses, MASSIVE cars, and MASSIVE investments. There's nothing wrong with that, but if he keeps all of his money, then how does he help the poor? Well, he goes around telling other people to help the poor. He asks people who have but a tiny fraction of what he has to give away more than he has to help the poor. Not only that, but he advocates that the government forcably take away what those people have and give it to the poor. Well, surely if he's truly advocating that those who make far less money than him give so much of it away, then he must surely be giving his time to help the poor, right? Wrong! He charges a MASSIVE fee for each of his appearances. If, instead of speaking, he told them to give that money away or if he gave the money away to the poor, like he's telling other people that they have a moral obligation to do, then the money he collects from a single appearance would accomodate a family of four in a lower-middle class lifestyle for an entire year. Instead, though Edwards just takes the money and spends it on MASSIVE haircuts and MASSIVE face lifts. It's a simply matter of "Do as I say, not as I do." If Edwards really believed what he was telling people, rather than just trying to get votes from the poor, then he would either not charge for his appearances or he would give them to the poor.........MASSIVE

That is the best post I have seen in a very long time

[nevadamedic]

It was a stab at adding humor to the post. If you'd care to read it instead of criticize the font, maybe you'd get the point.

She obviously cant attack what you said so she attacks you. Kinda like when I put the samckdown on her, and when someone else did, so couldn;t attack what we said, just how we got it or attacked us in general.

[Yurt]

That is the best post I have seen in a very long time

It was massive...

[nevadamedic]

It isn't funny to me.

A leading presidential candidate MUST raise $600,000/day every day for a whole year to pay for a presidential run.

A typical senator MUST raise $5500 every single day for a year in order to afford a run at the senate.

This is all obscene and outrageous.

The fact that this fundraising activity might actually have some redeeming value is a minute perk in contrast to the appalling nature of the dominant role money plays in buying political office.

It just isn't very funny to me, sorry.

If you read the article, this was before he decided to run for President.

[nevadamedic]

Closed minded? Pot, meet kettle.

As for the bullying issue, you ARE behaving like a bully. I merely observed that and said so. I also don't believe in playing victim when confronted by bullying but to fight back. Bullies have a strange habit of getting even more belligerent when their would-be targets actually stand up to them, as you have just proven.

As for the relevance of commenting on Giuliani's higher speaking fees after Edwards has been denounced for accepting a $55K fee, well, some of us have tried to explain that to you, but you just don't get it.

We have said that we dont think it's right for Guiliani or any other Republican or Democrat to take speeking fees at Schools or Events for Charity. I cant speak for the other Conservatives but im really upset and dissapointed un Guiliani for doing that if that is true. On the other hand Guiliani wasnt out there basing his lecture on fighting poverty and then charging the school an out rageous amount to speak.

[nevadamedic]

Please answer the question:

will use my example again:

I will charge you $55,000 to tell you how to get out of poverty

Rudy will charge you $100,000 to tell you how to get out of poverty


Are you really telling me that there is NO irony in my offer of $55,000?

Thanks

[nevadamedic]

Wellllllll. why should he charge anything...
It's NOT LIKE HE NEEDS THE MONEY.......
But as all us little peons out here know....
Edwards is a two faced hypocrite......
He uses Class Warfare(poverty) only for his campaign, but he sure as hell doesnt live it.......

And people fall for it...

You men that huge house he live in isn't considered living in poverty?

[nevadamedic]

Should.

But in reality a pres candidate MUST raise $600,000/day to fund a pres campaign.

It doesn't just fall in your lap.

Yea but none of these guys were campaigning at the time. Also Ive worked on som pretty major campaigns and .oney does fall into their lap LOL.