Pinochet was a hero that did what he had to do to stop Allende from handing the country over to Fidel Castro.Originally Posted by crin63
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Pinochet was a hero that did what he had to do to stop Allende from handing the country over to Fidel Castro.
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Thatcherism is often described as a libertarian ideology. Thatcher saw herself as creating a libertarian movement,[16][17] rejecting traditional Toryism.[18] Thatcherism is associated with libertarianism within the Conservative Party,[19] albeit one of libertarian ends achieved by using strong and sometimes authoritarian leadership.[20] British political commentator Andrew Marr has called libertarianism the "dominant, if unofficial, characteristic of Thatcherism".[21] However, whereas some of her heirs, notably Michael Portilloand Alan Duncan, embraced this libertarianism, others in the Thatcherite movement, such as John Redwood, sought to become more populist.[22][23]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thatcherism#Libertarianism
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You ARE late to the party. And I speak solely for me. I DON'T support Trump. What I DO support is keeping Dems out of the White House. If I have to hold my nose and vote for Trump I feel little shame as I did the same for McLame and I REALLY can't stand him.
Both are better alternatives to a continuation of the dictatorship we have going on now.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
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I will cross that bridge when I come to it. Cruz hasn't lost the nomination yet. I was #NeverTrump until I thought of Kasich. The GOP can indeed do worse than Trump.
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My apologies, I was hasty in response yesterday. I was taking care of my dad and had to drop everything else.
Regardless of how you govern, if you are the supreme ruler you are a leftist even if in your wisdom and benevolence you allow a great measure of freedom for your people. So long as you have unchecked authority that is able to thwart the will of the people you are a leftist.
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For all the questions I posted initially I cannot support Trump. I was hoping someone could enlighten me and give me information that might help me to make a new decision.
I cannot and will not vote for someone who I am not certain is pro-life.
Yes, I really do realize just how bad Hillary would be.
I also live in a state where we elected the last faux conservative celebrity to govern. I saw that disaster. Due to Arnuld we will likely not have a conservative governor again for a generation or two.
This state was prime for a conservative governor just like our country is prime for a conservative POTUS. Gray Davis was being recalled due to failed policies and corruption. We were faced with a Trump vs. Cruz situation in Arnuld vs. Tom McClintock who was an actual Conservative unlike Arnuld. Just like today where we're faced with a faux conservative celebrity Trump vs Cruz who is a real Conservative.
To elect Trump will have the same devastating effects that electing Arnuld in California had. I actually think he will be worse.
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
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Are the Dems pro-life ?
I ask, because if Trump turns out to be the victorious GOP candidate, then only he, as the leading figure for that Party, has a reasonable chance of stopping the Dems from winning. If you have it in mind not to vote, or to vote for a more 'fringe' character, then you might as well be voting for Hillary, regardless.
It's That Bloody Foreigner Again !!!
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Yours is an outstanding post, worthy to be published in a high circulation magazine.
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You are basing your entire argument on "pro-life". It is not the only topic at stake, and I will point out that by not voting, or voing 3rd party you are indeed allowing a pro choice (Dem) into office. Seems rather self-defeating to me.
And I am NOT pro-choice. I find it incredulous that the very same people that whine like little b*tches about collateral damage in a war zone and are worried about the so-called "human rights" of every baby in the world thinkit's quite okay to murder our own. Poor little starving African child ... try looking in the trash bin outside an abortion clinic HERE. So, I will repeat ... it is NOT about supporting Trump to me. But do you think under Ms Goes With the Flow of every leftwingnut group to include the pro-choice nuts it's going to be any better? The left has already proven they have ZERO respect for the law, and zero respect for the will of the people.
I want them O-U-T. I have been quite outspoken on what I think about Trump and his bullying crap. He's a typical developer and I've worked for many. I know how they operate. At the same time, if you want even a smidgen of our Constitution intact, the Dems have to go.
This isn't about support to a lot of us. It's about choosing the lesser of 2 evils. And those on the right that "take a stand on principle" have given us 8 years of Der Fuerher Obama.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
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What about the Ahnuld comparison? Making the GOP brand radioactive for 20 years would be worse than a Klinton victory.
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Not much minus global thermonuclear war would be worse than a Clinton victory.
As far as Arnold goes, I liked his movies, and he was an awesome bodybuilder. I'll also point out the comparison is irrelevant since he was born in Austria. I'm not all that impressed with his politics. He's a 60s-70s boomer back when liberals were actually liberal. While I may agree with the politics of the day since I grew up then too, they are also irrelevant to the current fascist situation.
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I listed my problems with Trump in the form of my initial questions but I have a line in the sand that I will not cross regardless of the circumstance. I could look past all my other problems in a Trump vs Hillary but I will not go against my core beliefs and convictions. I cannot. It's not who I am. I will die on that hill before I yield on my core beliefs.
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
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Man's got to do what he thinks he's got to do.
Dying on a hill proves nothing. Winning proves EVERYTHING.
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.” Edumnd Burke
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Pro-Life is a huge issue for me to, Trump has been a Democrat and a large financial supporter of them up to this point, His supporters ignore this fact because he spouts off what we want to hear, I personally think its to big a risk that he still is a Democrat, Knowing the Country is primed for a Conservative, He may even be in the race just to cause chaos in the Republican party to give Hillary a chance,
Now with that said I'm 100% Cruz, but i will vote for the Nominee even if its Trump, because anyone will be better than Hillary.
Christian Democrat has become an oxymoron
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This is not an easy decision for me. It haunts me, but it's never winning for me if I betray my beliefs. Been there, done that and those scars don't heal. They wake me from my sleep gasping for air.
I realize it's not common place to have a line in the sand that one won't cross since most folks have no core beliefs, nothing they really truly hold dear and compromise is like breathing to them. Decades of folks compromising on principles, morals and beliefs have led us to this decay in our country. We just keep saying the lesser of 2 evils one more time, and then one more time, and again one more time.
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
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