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Good Morning Immie,
Can you tell us what went on there that we might not have gotten in National News? I mean, did your State Congress have anything at all to do with this decision? Did they have to okay it, or was it all up to the DNC and the florida Democratic Party...?
jd
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Good morning JD,
No, sorry, I missed it.
As far as I can tell it was a legislative decision. There was no vote on the issue among the people that I can recall. Someone in the state government decided that "we" were tired of not having our primaries mean anything and that we were going to move our primaries up to the end of January. I'm sure there was debate in the legislature about it as it is not the decision of the parties themselves as far as I can tell, about when the primaries are to be held, but the state reps ARE the parties so they made the decision FOR US!
As far as I am concerned, they thumbed "our" noses at the rest of the country with their arrogance. Go figure... politicians being arrogant.
As for being up to the DNC, don't forget that this decision was also made by the Republicans in Florida and the RNC has slapped our wrist as well.
I have not tried to follow your entire conversation about this, but I am not sure what you mean here. We were told that the DNC would strip the delegates from Florida (and Michigan). If I am not mistaken, the issue around here was not that candidates could not campaign here, but that they would not for the primaries because Florida would have no say in the conventions. In other words, why bother with Florida until the General Campaign.
The candidates may have had a "gentleman's agreement" not too campaign here, but I don't believe there was a binding agreement and to be honest with you... it was quite nice not getting 48 calls a day from Hillary's camp, 47 a day from Obama's, 50 from McCain's, 40 from Huckabees etc. etc. etc. Come to think of it... maybe some good did come out of this after all!!!
Immie
Last edited by Immanuel; 02-28-2008 at 08:30 AM.
For it is by Grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God -- not by works, so that no one can boast. Eph 2:8-9
I guess i still don't understand it? The Republican Majority and ruling Congress in Florida MOVED florida's primaries up, including the Democratic Party's primary, which disenfranchised them? Did they know when they legislated the Primary move upwards that it would disenfranchise the democratic citizens of their state?
I don't understand why the legislature of Florida would see moving their primary up..... would actually give the people in florida MORE of a voice when it gave them NO VOICE?
jd
What you might be missing is that it disenfranchised both Democrat and Republican. Initially both National Committees threatened to invalidate the Florida and Michigan delegates, then AFTER the Democrats came out and made it official, the RNC came out and said, they were only going to cut in half the number of delegates for Florida. They may have even further reneged on that and changed their minds completely... which is still a possibility for the DNC too if Hillary gets her way.
This wasn't a move by the Republicans to disenfranchise Democratic voters unless of course they knew the DNC would tell Floridians that there votes wouldn't count and then conspired to back down as Republicans on the threat from the RNC. Which I wouldn't put passed them, if they were certain the DNC would follow through.
In effect, it WAS the national committees that disenfranchised the voters, not the state. The state said we're doing it in January like it or not. The NC's said, "we don't like it. Go ahead and hold your primaries. We simply won't count your delegates at the National Convention." So technically it was the NC's that disenfranchised voters not the state.
Immie
For it is by Grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God -- not by works, so that no one can boast. Eph 2:8-9
so the rnc reneged and now the florida republican votes count, but the DNC has not reneged or changed what they said as the republicans did and the democratic citizens votes in your state don't count?
Do you really think this is all about Hillary getting her way or what is fair? it could be "all" about hillary, but it sure seems like the DNC was duped by the RNC and by your legislature.
jd
So, let me ask you, what difference does it make here between the two parties? Really none at all. Nothing says that the two parties have to play by the same rules regarding delegates to their own conventions. In fact, some states have caucuses for one party and primary elections for the other is what I understand.
The Democratic National Convention disenfranchised Florida voters. The RNC threatened to do so.
I further understand that there is not even a requirement to allow the voters to pick who will run in the General Election. It is the choice of the parties to do this not a requirement. They could, in fact, legally go with a system that only allowed super-delegates to choose who would run and then the voters would decide the General Election.
From my understanding this is what happened although I do think the RNC was trying to make themselves appear "better" than the DNC by hinting they would invalidate Florida delegates and then backing down.
Immie
For it is by Grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God -- not by works, so that no one can boast. Eph 2:8-9
Threats are part of negotiations, sweet and petite! Neither you or I were privy to those negotiations to discuss the details, but nevertheless they were still negotiations. Compare that with the heavy-handed mandate of the DNC.
Based on that, which party would you want running the country?