I've not convicted anyone on hearsay. I have the same information you have and a completely different view of who caused this death.
This law of Stand Your Ground is wrong and should be overturned. There is plenty of evidence that Zimmerman had problems with violence prior to killing Martin.
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Yes. I think the Florida Law is wrong. It's wrong because it goes too far. Zimmerman went after Martin without cause. Martin wasn't threatening him. He was a 17 year old kid walking home from 7/11 and talking on his cell phone to his GF. Zimmerman should have done what Neighborhood Watch people are supposed to do. Make the call and get the hell out of the way.
Zimmerman was not in his own home, Martin was not committing any crime. Martin had the civil right to be on that street. A sensible outcome would have been to arrest Zimmerman and charge him with manslaughter. If Trayvon became scared and angry at being stalked and falsely accused, I can understand that. Zimmerman is lying, IMO. According to the GF who was on the phone with Trayvon at the time, she could hear Zimmerman approach him, heard his voice reported that the headset get knocked off Martin's head and disconnected.
No one with a "jekyl and hyde" personality should carry a concealed weapon. Zimmerman was fired from a security job for excess force. He was completely inappropriate in his actions as Neighborhood Watch. He should be charged with manslaughter.
You bet I will.
Given the facts we know it appears that the only one who had a right to stand his ground and use deadly force was Trayvon Martin himself. George Zimmerman had no right to use any force at all let alone deadly force against Trayvon Martin.
“Stand your ground means stand your ground. It doesn’t mean chase after somebody who’s turned their back.”
Zimmerman chased Travon. Zimmerman was arguably the illegal aggressor and it was only Trayvon who had the right to self-defend.
Trayvon had to be “in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or he had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle.
Zimmerman had to know or have reason to believe that an “unlawful and forcible entry” or “unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.” Absolutely no evidence of that here either. In Zimmerman’s own words Trayvon was just walking around and ‘looked suspicious.”
Trayvon had no duty to retreat if he had a right to be where he was; but it was wise for a skinny kid to back away from a 240 lb gorilla advancing on him in the night.
Zimmerman became the aggressor packing a semi-automatic weapon and chased down a skinny defenseless kid. To suggest that Trayvon Martin was wrong to fight back is so disgusting as to make sane people vomit.
Zimmerman created the very danger he complained of, he was not just standing his ground, he willfully used his vigilantly watchdog status as a bald pretext to pack a concealed gun and go out to perpetuate a racially motivated hate crime against a defenseless child armed only with a pack of Skittles and a bottle of iced tea. ("those assholes always get away). Zimmerman was determined that Martin would not get away.
There seems to be probable cause to believe Zimmerman committed a crime, that he is a grave danger to the community, and that he should be arrested and held without bail until such time he faces a jury of his peers.
The owners of the complex may be held liable for gross negligence by allowing untrained but deadly armed vigilantes to patrol the premises. They may all be held civilly liable to the Martin family.
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For what? The owners of the complex have no control over Zimmerman's concealed carry permit, not that he knowingly ignored the 911 operator.
However, No one is arguing that Zimmerman was right to shoot Martin, not one person. They are, however, arguing that Zimmerman was not clearly a racist, which he wasn't.
The only point anyone is arguing is your continued assertion without evidence of his racism. So go ahead and set down all the other crap, and deal with the argument that people are actually making. You could start by responding to this and my previous post on the matter. that or back down, admit you were wrong, and let it go.
"Government screws up everything. If government says black, you can bet it's white. If government says sit still for your safety, you'd better run for your life!"
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If there's a lesson to be learned here, murder cases-voluntary or not, shouldn't be argued in the media or other venues other than the courts.
That's not going to stop us or anyone else on boards, media, etc. We'd all be better off if it did, but never mind that.
So, MY PERSONAL ENLIGHTENMENT: I was wrong to thing Zimmerman a racist and the kid only a victim.
Truth is, I may have been right. I may have been wrong. At this point in time, my tendency would be to say that Zimmerman should not have been as aggressive as he was. The kid wasn't as innocent as portrayed, or likely to have been acting. Yes, I know these conclusions are based on media reports, but that is where we are at. Including NOW the facts of what the dispatcher said and responses, along with the GF's accounting.
Truth is I think Zimmerman would have done better to call 911 and have bowed out. With that said, he didn't. He kept on this kid including the GF phone conversation. From all I've read, it then became Trayvon that chose a confrontation with the one pursing him. Big mistake on both their parts. While Trayvon had youth and strength on his side, Zimmerman had the gun. When T went for it, was over. What transpired between the decision of T to blindside, knock down, pummel we'll never know. Even if arrested, tried and convicted, the truth will no be complete to anyone's satisfaction.
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There's an example right from the very thread where you deny ignoring facts. I took the time to politely point out various things that you conveniently ignore, and you conveniently ignore them - and you do so because they blow HUGE holes in your defense of Martin.
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