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    This thread was dedicated to the topic of taking a stand. To some such a topic likely has little to no meaning but to others it may strike a chord. Its to those readers that I post my words about the great danger Islam and its ultimate goal presents to our nation and its survival! This can not be stressed to much IMHO.

    To my surprise , my original first post received more condemnation than I had thought possible. This to me clearly points to how far our nation has fallen when many of its citizens are so quick to defend its enemies and abandone the values and priniciples so represented in our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Ever quick to try to point to my doing so which I have not done. I have attempted to sound the alarm only to get others to face the threat. I have not called for any illegal, unconstitutional actions to be taken. Nor will I in regards to this matter. For I am a firm believer in the Rule of Law.

    My critics here are so quick to demand that I give my remedy to this threat even while they declare that there is no threat! I view that as trying to ride the horse after having shot it for being of no use! Yet I have in my own dastardly way, remained true to my principles and the TRUTH. I have been very firm in my stand and in my exspressed desire that holds it is not up to me to solve this problem but rather once known and actually faced its up to our citizenry as a whole. That is in itself a daunting task but the fields were once deep forests of many trees and the first tree had to be removed to make room to grow crops. America sprang from that clearing and industry and progress calls for sacrifice. As so often does survival!

    I am no stranger to facing hard and intense opposition and here proved to be no exception. I've been listed as a bigot, racist, troublemaker, liar, traitor, terrorist, hatemonger, coward, etc. Yet my only course has been to post link after link of facts and true news about actual deeds of evil carried out by our nation's enemies. Because of that I 've been called such names and made out to be a troublemaker. So be it, Im not complaining here. I am firmly denying the accusations. Knowing that I will be judged by my words , I do not fear the criticisms of others , nor seek to falsely defend my works. I am concious , however , of having once lost my temper thus ill-serving the task I had set for myself. In that time of error,often the most serious topics are the most ridiculed and the most honorable enterprises are viewed with the deepest suspicion. Moreover, the minds of many people are such that they are not disposed to believe anything new and strange and outside their experience unless it is proved by convincing evidence and the testimony of realible men. So, in order to increase confidence in my words and gain a more worthy appreciation for its truth , I have thought it worthwhile to explain briefly my purpose and goals. In this way I trust I may escape the absurd but shameful charges placed against my character by those opponents whose fertile imaginations prove that they are ill-disposed persons that seek to devise rejection of the truth about Islam by attacking the messenger rather than any adequate refutation of the message!

    In short, I have often waged attacks back upon my accusers rather than pointing out the folly of their false attacks upon my character and then demanding that they disprove the message rather than lie about the messenger..This I shall attempt to remedy.

    Subject is Islam and its attempt to rule all humans by force . Primarily we are discussing this in regards to its ongoing activities in America with the necessary references to Islam activities around the world. To that end I have posted many links and much information with much more to come. To those opposing I say refute my sources or my facts but knock off the character attacks because Im not the subject . The evidence that I present is either to be refuted, ignored or agreed with , any other response will get a big ---from me. A
    FITTING RESPONSE TO SUCH BASELESS PERSONAL ATTACKS. As I have not the time to waste on those too damn lazy to post a logical or well reasoned reply..-Tyr

    18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutime View Post
    So, we should just throw him a BONE, and forget it happened?
    With all the time you two spend stroking each other's egos, that sounds suspiciously like some kinda homo code. I'll pass, thanks. You two can carry on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Missileman View Post
    Westernization is likely the key to solving them problem.
    I appraised real estate in the SF Bay Area for years until 1997. In the course of my work, I appraised a lot of homes for Iranians. I had some mortgage people from Iran as customers.

    Funny how popular you get by being an appraiser of homes. Everybody wanted to be my best friend.

    Well, that is how I got to know so many of them. I was told by some brothers how they went back to Iran and smuggled in hard liquor in gasoline cans. They sure believe in punishing women who have sex outside of marriage yet they don't mind at all having ses with them. I could not figure that one out. Seems they want it both ways.

    Sia want back to Iran for a family approved marriage as I recall his story but did not like her at all. And still married her. Then dumped her by abandoning her in Iran and coming back to CA.

    Funny thing is, my story may get you to think of him as some young guy. Sia was in college and burned American Flags in the street in the Carter presidency era and has to be around 54 by now.

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    So the question at hand is whether or not Islam is trying to control humans by force ?
    Last edited by Dilloduck; 10-20-2012 at 02:40 PM.

    A nutcase will do nutty things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    This thread was dedicated to the topic of taking a stand. To some such a topic likely has little to no meaning but to others it may strike a chord. Its to those readers that I post my words about the great danger Islam and its ultimate goal presents to our nation and its survival! This can not be stressed to much IMHO.

    To my surprise , my original first post received more condemnation than I had thought possible. This to me clearly points to how far our nation has fallen when many of its citizens are so quick to defend its enemies and abandone the values and priniciples so represented in our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Ever quick to try to point to my doing so which I have not done. I have attempted to sound the alarm only to get others to face the threat. I have not called for any illegal, unconstitutional actions to be taken. Nor will I in regards to this matter. For I am a firm believer in the Rule of Law.

    My critics here are so quick to demand that I give my remedy to this threat even while they declare that there is no threat! I view that as trying to ride the horse after having shot it for being of no use! Yet I have in my own dastardly way, remained true to my principles and the TRUTH. I have been very firm in my stand and in my exspressed desire that holds it is not up to me to solve this problem but rather once known and actually faced its up to our citizenry as a whole. That is in itself a daunting task but the fields were once deep forests of many trees and the first tree had to be removed to make room to grow crops. America sprang from that clearing and industry and progress calls for sacrifice. As so often does survival!

    I am no stranger to facing hard and intense opposition and here proved to be no exception. I've been listed as a bigot, racist, troublemaker, liar, traitor, terrorist, hatemonger, coward, etc. Yet my only course has been to post link after link of facts and true news about actual deeds of evil carried out by our nation's enemies. Because of that I 've been called such names and made out to be a troublemaker. So be it, Im not complaining here. I am firmly denying the accusations. Knowing that I will be judged by my words , I do not fear the criticisms of others , nor seek to falsely defend my works. I am concious , however , of having once lost my temper thus ill-serving the task I had set for myself. In that time of error,often the most serious topics are the most ridiculed and the most honorable enterprises are viewed with the deepest suspicion. Moreover, the minds of many people are such that they are not disposed to believe anything new and strange and outside their experience unless it is proved by convincing evidence and the testimony of realible men. So, in order to increase confidence in my words and gain a more worthy appreciation for its truth , I have thought it worthwhile to explain briefly my purpose and goals. In this way I trust I may escape the absurd but shameful charges placed against my character by those opponents whose fertile imaginations prove that they are ill-disposed persons that seek to devise rejection of the truth about Islam by attacking the messenger rather than any adequate refutation of the message!

    In short, I have often waged attacks back upon my accusers rather than pointing out the folly of their false attacks upon my character and then demanding that they disprove the message rather than lie about the messenger..This I shall attempt to remedy.

    Subject is Islam and its attempt to rule all humans by force . Primarily we are discussing this in regards to its ongoing activities in America with the necessary references to Islam activities around the world. To that end I have posted many links and much information with much more to come. To those opposing I say refute my sources or my facts but knock off the character attacks because Im not the subject . The evidence that I present is either to be refuted, ignored or agreed with , any other response will get a big ---from me. A
    FITTING RESPONSE TO SUCH BASELESS PERSONAL ATTACKS. As I have not the time to waste on those too damn lazy to post a logical or well reasoned reply..-Tyr

    Yes, yes, you're oppressed, what specific actions are you suggesting?
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    The following is based on a May 22, 1991 document discovered by the FBI.
    Understanding the Role of the Muslim Brotherhood in North AmericaThe process of settlement is a "Civilization-Jihadist Process" and all the word means. The
    Ikhwan [Arabic for brothers] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad to eliminate and destroy the Western civilization from within, and sabotage its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers, so that it is eliminated, and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions.
    Without this level of understanding, we are not up to the challenge and have not yet prepared ourselves for Jihad. It is a Muslim's destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who choose to slack. But, would the slackers and the Mujahedeen be equal. [from Section Four: The Process of Settlement ]
    Top U.S. Islamic Group Calls for ‘Gun Control’ Patrick Poole, July 24, 2012
    Fresh off of handing a “diversity” award to outspoken Jew-hater DawudWalid, the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) is moving on to a new outrage by launching an attack on the U.S. Constitution.
    The current issue of ISNA’s bi-monthly magazine Islamic Horizons carries an article about ISNA’s demand for gun control.
    Specifically, the article, with the unambiguous title “ISNA Seeks Gun Control,” cites the shooting of Trayvon Martin to explain their opposition to S. 2188, the “National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2012,” and S. 2213, the “Respecting States’ Rights and Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2012.”
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Just more proof that we must be ever vigilant. That we must wake up our fellow citizens! The Islamists are actively pursuing their agenda, why arent we countering?-Tyr
    18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    ... what specific actions are you suggesting?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
    Do you suggest that we outlaw Islam in America ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
    How about American Muslims ? What's the plan with them ?
    My mistake if an answer to these questions were answered amidst the rantings and chest thumpings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fj1200 View Post
    My mistake if an answer to these questions were answered amidst the rantings and chest thumpings.
    1. How about first we as a nation admit the problem!!???
    2. Then we as a nation, the government , form a plan to stop Islams goal of destroying us.

    How about you guys that are all for ignoring or denying the problem present your case instead of asking question after question? Doing so in an attempt to find something else to ridicule, deny or just generally piss and moan about. Either agree, refute my linked facts or ignore but this sideshow type stuff isnt cutting it.

    Give your own suggestions regardless of whether they agree or not.
    Demanding that I give a specific plan is silly. I've given a general plan several times in my replies here.
    Im not president or dictator so why expect me to have the solution?
    Its a very complex problem of how to limit Islam within the context of not denying them their religious freedom!
    We have to stay within the Constitution rights they have but also stop the planned subversion and violence that will surely come.

    Why expect me to give a solution to a problem you guys have so far denied exists!!??-Tyr

    18 U.S. Code § 2381-Treason Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    1. How about first we as a nation admit the problem!!???
    2. Then we as a nation, the government , form a plan to stop Islams goal of destroying us.

    How about you guys that are all for ignoring or denying the problem present your case instead of asking question after question? Doing so in an attempt to find something else to ridicule, deny or just generally piss and moan about. Either agree, refute my linked facts or ignore but this sideshow type stuff isnt cutting it.

    Give your own suggestions regardless of whether they agree or not.
    Demanding that I give a specific plan is silly. I've given a general plan several times in my replies here.
    Im not president or dictator so why expect me to have the solution?
    Its a very complex problem of how to limit Islam within the context of not denying them their religious freedom!
    We have to stay within the Constitution rights they have but also stop the planned subversion and violence that will surely come.

    Why expect me to give a solution to a problem you guys have so far denied exists!!??-Tyr

    I never denied a problem exists. I ask for a solution because uncontrolled hatred can result in stupid responses. Arson, discrimination and harassment of US citizens that happen to be Muslim come to mind. I'm all for a well thought out plan using the world's best experts on the subject matter with Benjamin Netanyahu topping that list.
    Last edited by tailfins; 10-20-2012 at 05:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tailfins View Post
    I never denied a problem exists. I ask for a solution because uncontrolled hatred can result in stupid responses. Arson, discrimination and harassment of US citizens that happen to be Muslim come to mind. I'm all for a well thought out plan using the world's best experts on the subject matter with Benjamin Netanyahu topping that list.
    Finally , one that agrees the problem is real! -
    Although not sure why Bibi should be involved in America's course of action.
    What do you propose that Bibi could offer us? As we have a strong Constitution /Bill of Rights that Bibi doesnt have to deal with in Israel.
    No doubt that he has knowledge but what of it could we use and it not Unconstitutional?-Tyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot View Post
    Finally , one that agrees the problem is real! -
    Although not sure why Bibi should be involved in America's course of action.
    What do you propose that Bibi could offer us? As we have a strong Constitution /Bill of Rights that Bibi doesnt have to deal with in Israel.
    No doubt that he has knowledge but what of it could we use and it not Unconstitutional?-Tyr
    Being that Bibi is US educated, I'm confident he has a solid understanding of the US Constitution. What worries me is uneducated idiots committing criminal acts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tailfins View Post
    Being that Bibi is US educated, I'm confident he has a solid understanding of the US Constitution. What worries me is uneducated idiots committing criminal acts.
    The criminal acts should all be prosecuted. For they hamper addressing the problem in a just and accurate manner.

    My suggestion is that first step is to form a plan on how to insure that Sharia law can never be a part of our Judicial system. By doing that we have solved already a very large part of the problem. Its a very good start IMHO.-Tyr
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    That's a great start--I suggest you go with it.

    A nutcase will do nutty things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
    That's a great start--I suggest you go with it.
    Thank you, your approval ,means so very much. Now that I have it. I'll proceed fullspeed ahead!

    Be looking for a "binder" complete with my finished plan soon. Color illustrations and all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilloduck View Post
    So the question at hand is whether or not Islam is trying to control humans by force ?

    Surely there is no question about that?

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