“You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock
Can you give a for-instance?
I don't mean creches in front of City Hall or prayers at graduation: those are religion/state issues that have lately stopped being winked at, fair enough, I suppose. As long as Muslims aren't allowed to prefer their religion either.
I mean non-constitutional religious stuff, and people getting offended?
Myself, I don't consider a kid mentioning God at a graduation to be the end of the world, or the state being involved. Same as for nativity scenes. I suppose some have a point if the government is paying for it, but what if it's 100% paid for by private donors? There was a place recently where a scene was on display every year for like a hundred years - no more. The park was a city park, and the funding didn't matter to those "offended". And then you have stores being condemned or boycotted of they dare use "Christmas" too often, as it may offend those that don't celebrate the holiday. Of course they need to watch the dollars, so they cave. Was it a military owned area? Honestly can't remember, but was fairly recently, where they were being told to remove a cross that remembered fallen soldiers. Can't have that!
Over the last 30 years or so it went from being something that was seen or heard everywhere, and now it's being told to occupy the proverbial closet that the gays came out of. It's ok still to be religious, just do so privately as not to offend anyone else.
“You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock
I'd like everyone to do it privately and not offend anyone! And that includes Muslims. A black woman -- American, must have been a black Muslim -- came into the supermarket a few weeks ago, all clothed in black head to toe and one of those creepy veils with only her eyes showing! And two rude little boys telling me to get out of the way -- I suppose they'd been trained to disrespect women!! People ran from all over the store to get a look at her. Now, really, that's terrible. That goes too far. That's pushing religion way too far onto other people, IMO.
Basically, you are saying you don't agree with the church/state issues that have been backed off recently, because you are used to them and like them. However, they ARE church/state constitutional stuff, so we are all going to have to do without them.
Do you have stuff that people do that is NOT constitutional that you think offends people, but shouldn't?
To be fair, the Bible itself tells people to pray in their "closet," not right out showing off like those guys shouting mean stuff on the corner!
I think knocking on peoples' doors and haranguing them is pretty awful --- but of course the people doing that are mostly not Christians at all, Christians have gotten away from that sort of intrusion, very properly.
I don't have an issue as much if it's things in a state building, state sponsored and such. I don't see why others need to get "offended", but their being offended is backed by law.
Other than that, go to any restaurant or store during the holidays and find out how often you are greeted by "Merry Christmas" now as opposed to "Happy Holidays". This is done so as not to offend those not celebrating the holiday. Same for Christmas trees and such in stores and elsewhere, now gone or renamed to "Holiday Trees". The entire reasoning behind such changes is "so as not to offend others".
“You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock
“You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock
So who wants to control who here?
and you just wrong mundame
Just to be clear, It is up to us Present the gospel to everyone, but God coverts them.
Mark 16:14-16
Jesus said
14 Last of all, Jesus appeared to the eleven disciples as they were eating. He scolded them, because they did not have faith and because they were too stubborn to believe those who had seen him alive. 15 He said to them, “Go throughout the whole world and preach the gospel to all people. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned.
the corrupt Jewish leaders wanted the disciple to STHU too
Acts 5:28-30
28 “We gave you strict orders not to teach in this name,” he said. “Yet you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and are determined to make us guilty of this man’s blood.”
29 Peter and the other apostles replied: “We must obey God rather than human beings! 30 The God of our ancestors raised Jesus from the dead—whom you killed by hanging him on a cross....
They called the apostles in and had them whipped. Then they ordered them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.
41 The apostles left the Sanhedrin, rejoicing because they had been counted worthy of suffering disgrace for the Name. 42 Day after day, in the temple courts and from house to house, they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Messiah.
All of the prophets where told to STHU, all they did was go around and tell people that God was going to judge them if they didn't turn to him.
Our country for founded with free speech as a understood right. If you find some religious speech offends you , i'm sorry, it's not the intent.
But it's not going to stay inside the Churches because it upsets you.
Last edited by revelarts; 02-23-2013 at 01:44 PM.
It is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties. The freeman of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entangled the question in precedents. James Madison
Live as free people, yet without employing your freedom as a pretext for wickedness; but live at all times as servants of God. 1 Peter 2:16
Should the window sales men or girl scouts stop to?
sorry if you don't like the content but it's not, illegal .. yet.
Why not just say no thanks you and let them go to the next house I really don't understand the issue you guys have.
If you don't believe it anyway at most it should be a minor inconvenience not a moral offense.
please help me here.
It is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties. The freeman of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entangled the question in precedents. James Madison
Live as free people, yet without employing your freedom as a pretext for wickedness; but live at all times as servants of God. 1 Peter 2:16
I guess selling something is selling something. Personally, I am less offended when a 10yr old girl shows up looking to sell some cookies, so they can get new uniforms - than I am when a grown man and woman show up, and try selling me religious beliefs. Maybe it's because the religion being brought to my door is a different religion? I don't know. And Fwiw - I am generally polite, and usually tell them I'm in the midst of dinner or something like that.
I am a Christian. I have no issue with any message being delivered. Sometimes I don't care for how it's delivered is all.
“You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the U.S. of arrogance, Germany doesn't want to go to war, and the three most powerful men in America are named "Bush", "Dick", and "Colin." Need I say more?” - Chris Rock
Have to laugh a little here. Some years back, I was still living by myself and noticed a man and woman canvassing the area, knocking on doors and leaving small pamphlets at doors where they got no answer. Got to be witnesses I think. So I go to my altar and get my besom (small ceremonial broom) and check to see where my cat was. I hung my biggest pentacle on my neck and as they knocked I picked up cat and broom and opened the door. They paused in the act of holding out a pamphlet and stumbled over a question about talking to me about Jesus. I smiled and said I would be delighted if they would share Circle with me first. Yes I know I was being a little bad but they DID KNOCK FIRST. They couldn't leave fast enough and I am convinced to this day that they put some kind of invisible mark on my door because nobody from that sect ever came back there. Believe what you like, live your life as a human with principles based on your faith. That is the best advertising you can do for the religion you follow - show it as a living concept.
Doesn't seem any different to me than someone knocking on your door to sell a vacuum.
Annoying, perhaps. Intrusive and rude? Not really.
It is always odd to me how much people resent someone who is trying to tell them about salvation. Who is it hurting and how? Unless they are feeling a little nervous and/or guilty about their non-belief. Just like with my salesman example, you say "No thanks, I'm not interested" and carry on with your day.
ETA: Oops, just saw your post about the window salesman, Rev.
After the game, the king and the pawn go into the same box - Author unknown
“Unfortunately, the truth is now whatever the media say it is”
-Abbey